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Steinway B v Yamaha C7
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Played a Steinway B on Saturday and then a Yamaha C7 on Monday (and own a C7), both live performances. Seriously not sure which I preferred. I know the C7 is based on the Steinway C, so it's bigger, but it is "only a Yamaha" so I always assume that the B is the one. Normally I feel certain, if only on touch. But I'm less and less sure....

Quite a difference in price!

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Re: Steinway B v Yamaha C7
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Originally Posted by jazzpianist
Played a Steinway B on Saturday and then a Yamaha C7 on Monday (and own a C7), both live performances. Seriously not sure which I preferred. I know the C7 is based on the Steinway C, so it's bigger, but it is "only a Yamaha" so I always assume that the B is the one. Normally I feel certain, if only on touch. But I'm less and less sure....

Quite a difference in price!


What a dilemma to be in! smile If I was in the market for a Yammie, I'd have to tip my hat to the CFIIIs, though. cool


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Is this even comparing Apples to Refrigerators?


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Want a closer comparison? Match up the Yamaha C6 with the B. To my ear, the C6 has a broader based and warmer tone that all the other Yamahas except the S6. The scale of the C6 is closer to the scale of the B as well.


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I have the same problem with chocolate and vanilla ice cream.



Try Breyers chocolate and you won't have the problem anymore.

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Re: Steinway B v Yamaha C7
pianoloverus #1290864 10/20/09 08:39 PM
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In a live performance setting sometimes that C7 is what you need to cut thru that rhythm section on the road, but in your living room,studio or ? setting there is no comparison between the two. Of course the Steinway B has to be a good one. That actually applies to both pianos in that there are some real barkers in the marketplace. One thing,I can say I've never heard anyone comment that their all original Yamaha C7 sounds as sweet as day one. I was a Yamaha endorse and owned many many over the years. People trade in their C7 s for Steinway Bs never the other way around. Only my unbias opinion folks. grin


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PB Can you change hammers on "older" C7s to get rid of the bark?
I know there is lots of variables and thought I would ask

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Once the older C7s get a bit crusty,one can restring them and change the hammer,shanks,flanges with Yamaha factory parts as in new prehung hammers and extend the life expectancy a bit longer as in any piano. Some like the idea of hanging aftermarket hammers (Able,Ronsen and ?)to give it a different charactor much different than the traditional Yamaha sound. After all said and done with your newly refurbished Yamaha. What does that Yamaha characteristically sound like now? confused A Steinway B whether with original NY Steinway hammers,Ronsen,Able,Ari Issac,Renner or ? still seems to shine through as a Steinway. And than theres always that sure thing investment strategy / advantage grin grin cool

The older C7s before the C7F are uh! rrrrruff! ruff! with a capital B in Bark!. Again my unbias opinion wink

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To be honest, I'm not terribly impressed with Yamaha. Sure, they build good instruments, but they leave me with a "So, what?" kind of feeling. I recently played my first Fandrich & Sons grand, and (IMO) it embarrasses the Yamaha C series... for a lot less money. Of course, every piano should be judged individually, but I'd take a good Steinway B over a Yamaha C7. Unfortunately, American companies don't have a piano that competes in the C7 size.

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I used to own a 1974 C7, might be an A or B or something lesser than an F, changed strings, hung Abels and voiced mellow on it. Still has a nice shinny Yamaha tone but it never barked.....

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Steinway B wins, hands down, unless it's a real lemon.
Don't let people tell you the extra 7 inches on the C7 make it an unfair comparison. Steinway B will have better bass every day of the week, ESPECIALLY if it has OEM bass strings.

Steinway will project better, and have wider range of sound on BOTH ends. It's a more muscular piano, due to the nature of its design.

As pianobroker said, people ALWAYS trade in the C7 for a Steinway B, not the other way around.

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As a rep of the brand, I can only state facts. The oldest chamber music series in America - Maverick Concerts http://maverickconcerts.org/ (Woodstock, New York), traded in its annual use of a New York 'B' for the use a C7, from us, four or five Summers ago. Artists rejoice, and the series producers laud the piano - selected prior to each season. This we have done through service, certainly, but particularly through the piano itself. And the festival provides its own tuner. The extra seven inches, too, seemed to give soloists a more open sound. We're proud of the C7.


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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPianist
Steinway B will have better bass every day of the week, ESPECIALLY if it has OEM bass strings.


Not necessarily.

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beethoven986 #1291268 10/21/09 01:20 PM
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OEM bass strings in a NY Steinway are Mapes. It may be disputable as for an alternate string manufacturer being better.

Partially a physics factor,long bass strings on any long piano will give you bigger bass,of course some pianos moreso than others. Now the tonality of that bass attributed to it's scale and the case/rim is a major factor.Hmmm..... Which bass is better ,a new Yamaha C7 at 7'6" or the vintage rebuilt Mason & Hamlin BB at 7' even. So much for that size analogy.

Like I said earlier I could see that small chamber music venue going with the C7. There is something to be said about consistency and predictability as for it catering to the masses as to the performing artists in the series.

When I was on the road, the rental company that supplied the pianos and back line gear for the touring acts had a few C7s in their inventory. They just supplied you with one on the equipment ryder.
They hold up well on the road and in this case in an institutional setting but so do Toyota Camrys and Honda Accords. I'm not knocking a good C7 but you put them side by side with that righteous Steinway B for that recording artist,you know the inevitable. Now if we made mention of the the smaller concert venues that utilized a Steinway B over a Yamaha C7, I'd still be posting 8 hours from now. The post is long enough as it is. grin


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Originally Posted by Marty Flinn
Want a closer comparison? Match up the Yamaha C6 with the B. To my ear, the C6 has a broader based and warmer tone that all the other Yamahas except the S6. The scale of the C6 is closer to the scale of the B as well.


Yes, Marty...

I often play my friend's Yamaha C6 - it is a very nice instrument. It has expertly prepped action and voicing.

In my last recital, I played a Steinway B, expertly prepped action and voicing.

His C6 is fantastic, the B was more fantastic. If they were not side by side, it'd be difficult to choose, but the B's tone and responsiveness allowed me to feel more connected to the music. Side by side, I'd have to choose the B.

I don't see many 50+ year old Yamahas in people's homes, but I do see 50+ year old Stenways - not sure that is relevant, but an observation nonetheless.

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I don't see many 50+ year old Yamahas in people's homes, but I do see 50+ year old Stenways - not sure that is relevant, but an observation nonetheless.

Since Yamaha has only been importing pianos since the 1960s, that is natural. I have tuned a Yamaha U3 from the early 1950s. Interestingly enough, it was not gray market. It was still owned by the family that bought it in Japan.


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Originally Posted by pianobroker

They hold up well on the road and in this case in an institutional setting but so do Toyota Camrys and Honda Accords. I'm not knocking a good C7 but you put them side by side with that righteous Steinway B for that recording artist,you know the inevitable. Now if we made mention of the the smaller concert venues that utilized a Steinway B over a Yamaha C7, I'd still be posting 8 hours from now.


I'm not suggesting you're a slow writer, pianobroker, but you'd need to list situations in which a B actually replaced a C7 in a concert hall. I can't see that taking 8 hours. I can expand my list too. Yamaha's 50 years of USA piano importation has done a lot to insure that these production instruments have become pretty much the standard for recording studios and, increasingly, the choice of performing artists.

I tend to rightfully reject implications that the Yamaha can only be a Nissan (or a VW) but never a Mercedes (or an Infinity). Just ask the Tilles Center in New York, who now (as of September) refer to Yamaha as its exclusive piano, if they consider Yamaha (C7 and CFIIIS and S4) Pianos to be worthy of their professional standards. While the C7 is not a Steinway, it is a Yamaha. I do believe there is a use for both.

Finally, Yamaha's general equivalent to the "B" is the "S6", which is the same size and built in the concert factory for concert work. That's really a more apt side-by-side comparison.


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That's a good story, Semipro Tech. I stand corrected, then change it to 40 years. wink How about 25 years?

Certainly nothing wrong with Yamahas, nor Steinways, nor any of the others, really. It's simply a matter of personal choice, size of room, size of wallet, ear, tactile sense, etc.

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Know what I think?

I think some people will prefer certain C7's over certain B's. And others will prefer certain B's over certain C7's. laugh

After all, we all know the wisdom of making sure you receive THE piano you've auditioned at a dealer and chosen because of variations you will find amongst examples of the same model piano.

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