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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
SCCDoug #1288312 10/16/09 02:22 PM
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I would be curious as to why Estonia made the change.


As Schwammerl pointed out it wasn't really a 'change' but a previously known model in very small [limited..] production.

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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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How did the Italian Soundboard Estonia compare to a non-Italian soundboard Estonia?


It had less power and a slightly "cooler" sound. (This is, of course, a very subjective observation, but Pierre told me that others had expressed the same opinion.)


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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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I will write an honest report about the piano as soon as we have it set up right.

We're as curious as anybody else here....

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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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Originally Posted by schwammerl


As to the fallboards, I heard it was the factory's intention to make lighter fallboards in the future. The ones now are very heavy - for a tech lifing them too often could cause back injury laugh
I wonder if the fallboards equiped with a slow fall mechanism will now be lighter aswell?



The reason the fall board on the Estonia was heavier than most fallboard, was that instead of a slow close fallboard, Estonia used to add weight to the back of the fall board so if it is pushed accidently towards closing, the weight will pull the fallboard back to its open position.

those who have an Estonia can try to pull the fallboard towards the closed position about third or half the way, and then let go. The fallboard will bounce back to an open position.
Other pianos, without a slow close fallboard, will fall down to the closed position.

So the new fallboards WILL be lighter, since the slow close mechanism will replace the weights as a safety measure.


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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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Originally Posted by ChatNoir
Originally Posted by Brent
How did the Italian Soundboard Estonia compare to a non-Italian soundboard Estonia?


It had less power and a slightly "cooler" sound. (This is, of course, a very subjective observation, but Pierre told me that others had expressed the same opinion.)


Chat,

You read my mind. Same impression. When Pierre first put the Faz board Estonia on eBay, it was at 50k or best offer. I ran into it later on eBay at 29.9k or best offer. I don't think that price moved it either.

Personally I don't like the sizzle strategy whether the Ciresa comes through SMC, Europe, or China. If you make the best piano you can, you simply make the best piano you can. A soundboard upgrade introduces the question: What's wrong with the standard board offered? Is it swiss sheese or something? grin

Of course I too wish Norbert good luck hauling these pianos from Vancouver port to Surrey on dollies, and presenting them in his showroom. Norbert may be right too that it's a good instrument for Pierre to sell to those who can only dream about a Fazioli. Time will tell on that one.

Brent B,

Congrats on the piano, but banish those upgrade thoughts from your mind...whether you're thinking of ten days or ten years. If your piano catches wind of it, it's gonna sulk. I guarantee it! smile







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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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Why apologize for the thread?


sorry for being sorry frown

It's just that it was the third Estonia thread in a row that day and I know how touchy some people can be. It was my attempt to prevent it from becoming a "why is everyone obsessed with Estonia" thread. I wanted a simple answer to a simple question--which Ori and Rich provided--thanks!

Brent


And I'm being somewhat smart alecky - I'm perfectly aware of how *touchy* some people can be about Estonia. Lord knows why! As you'll note by my sig line, I'm a proud owner myself. wink


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It was a good question and the thread has been very informative.

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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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My understanding is that Dr. Laul will unveil the 7'4'' sometime early or mid next year. Not sure if he will bring the piano to NAMM in Jan/10 but I heard they are working very hard to complete one. It will be a nice fit to their current models. I wonder how heavy that piano will be. My piano movers are already complaining how heavy L190s (6'3'') are.


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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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Oooh - I'd like to play a 7'4". Not that I'm the least bit unsatisfied with my 190. As for the fallboard issue; I have dropped mine on my fingers a couple of times in an effort to save it from falling down. It is probably the only thing I have ever found fault with on the piano - not having the slow closing mechanism. But hey -nothing and no one's perfect.


You will be 10 years older ten years from now no matter what, so go for it.

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Originally Posted by turandot

Brent B,

Congrats on the piano, but banish those upgrade thoughts from your mind...whether you're thinking of ten days or ten years. If your piano catches wind of it, it's gonna sulk. I guarantee it! smile



Ha, you're right, I'll keep quiet.


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I spoke with an Estonia dealer recently, and they said that Estonia is going to introduce a grand that is in the 7-foot neighborhood (7'6" or so). The person told me that the plan is to introduce it at NAMM 2010. Supposedly this has been under development for years now.

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Short update:

Gave the new "special edition" grand with Ciresa soundboard our first tuning this morning.

Tone: very powerful, strong and complex, not at all 'thin'

Classy touch: real ebony sharps.

Norbert


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A 7 footer sounds nice.

Why don't all of you Estonia fans come join us!

http://www.estoniaworld.com

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aaahh.. Estonia World.. it's a rockin place.


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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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aaahh.. Estonia World.. it's a rockin place.


Yes it is, apple. Speaking of "rockin'"... Is this a picture of a famous rock star? An FBI agent?

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The answer - Dr. Indrek Laul on a recent visit looking very G.Q.! I thought you'd appreciate this apple. smile


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Re: Another Estonia thread--sorry.
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you need to invite him to come to Philly the next time i visit!


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Yes it is, apple. Speaking of "rockin'"... Is this a picture of a famous rock star? An FBI agent?



The answer - Dr. Indrek Laul on a recent visit looking very G.Q.! I thought you'd appreciate this apple. smile


I couldn't help it. When I saw this photo, the theme from "Secret Agent Man" (Johnny Rivers) started playing in my head.

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I've never seen Dr Laul with sunglasses before but our customers, when here, often do appreciate to speak to him directly on the phone.

It's one of the perks working with a small company with the owner available by simple phone call.

Dr Laul never urges people to choose his pianos as salesmen would do, instead encourages them to choose an instrument to their own heart and liking.

We never place a call unless a "connection" has somehow been made.

Today we had just one such case - it does put a very personal touch on things.

Perhaps this as unique as are the instruments themselves.

Norbert

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