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Name that Tool #2 #1289949
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Ok, now a little harder, maybe. Remember, this is not for techs since, well, they supposedly know what tools are for.

What is this used for, what is it usually made out of (I spent money for a fancy handle, but many others don't), and what construction technique (of the piano, not the tool) would potentially lead to problems when using this tool?

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1289955
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Remember, any answers referring to beer get extra points.

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While drinking a beer?

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1289959
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Okay I'm no longer disqualified, since I have no idea what that is.

BUT let me make a guess. It looks like it would be good for moving pieces of felt around in awkward places, so I'm going to say it's a tool for inserting muting felt strips in the back scale areas.

(Incidentally I think that picture would make an impression over on the 'tuning pianos located inside prisons' thread . . . !)


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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1289963
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I agree about your re-instatement, Charles unless your incorrect answer is actually a fiendishly clever way of regaining the advantage.

The blade is actually shaped somewhere between a U and a V and it has a very specific use that is especially handy in concert situations where a quick remedy is needed.

Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1289964
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Oh, yes, for grand pianos only.

Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1289966
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Is it a grand damper wire easer? When using you have to be careful not to push the felt bushing out of the guide rail. I think they are often made of brass. Used to release pressure on bushing cloth around damper wires without removing the damper

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Ken Knapp] #1289968
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Another partial disqualification!!

It is indeed a grand damper wire easer, and one must be careful to not push the bushing out, but why is this more of a problem on some makes, usually high end, than others.

And no, they are not usually made of brass, but of a more common...um...item.

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Usually made from a screwdriver, ground down into that shape.


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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1289974
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Originally Posted by charleslang
Usually made from a screwdriver, ground down into that shape.


Ah! A custom tool!! smile

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1289979
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Originally Posted by charleslang
Usually made from a screwdriver, ground down into that shape.


Not so! At least none of mine have been either that "sophisticated" or that complicated to make.

They are usually made from something completely unrelated to the piano industry. Also, something that--due to our geographic location--some of us are way more familiar with than would be somebody in, say Arizona.

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Del] #1289981
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Originally Posted by Del
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Usually made from a screwdriver, ground down into that shape.


Not so! They are usually made from something completely unrelated to the piano industry. Also, something that--due to our geographic location--some of us are way more familiar with than would be somebody in, say Arizona.

ddf


You're not talking about wood, are you Del?

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Ken Knapp] #1289982
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Originally Posted by Ken Knapp
Originally Posted by Del
Originally Posted by charleslang
Usually made from a screwdriver, ground down into that shape.


Not so! They are usually made from something completely unrelated to the piano industry. Also, something that--due to our geographic location--some of us are way more familiar with than would be somebody in, say Arizona.

ddf


You're not talking about wood, are you Del?

Ken


Nope. I've seen brass, aluminum and various grades of steel. The question is, where does this brass, aluminum or steel come from.

(Hint--the shape is already there in the donor product.)

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Del] #1289984
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OK something for eating/opening some kind of fish to eat? Opening clams maybe?


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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1289987
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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Ken Knapp] #1289996
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Also good for opening cans of beer if the tab breaks off (there - got my 5 points!! laugh )

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Ken Knapp] #1290001
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I'm just guessing but I think it could be useful at musical performances to calm down overly critical members of the audience.

Don't try this at home.

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Del-

Your Arizona comment made me post. It is an umbrella stave tool.

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Actually the whole phenomenon of 'keying' someone's car was started by a rogue piano technician. At first it was called 'grand damper wire easing' someone's car, but it didn't really take off until someone tried it with a key and changed the name.


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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: charleslang] #1290017
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hmm, no beer reference, but CORRECT none the less.

Based on Del's hints, nobody is making my A list for charades team mates.

An umbrella stave is perfectly shaped and with a little sharpening, works very well.

Still, no correct answer about why some makes might make using this tool harder than others.

Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1290021
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And no, most of us in the trade do NOT refer to this as an "umbrella shank" tool.

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So sorry ! Forgot a beer reference. A keg opening / regulating umbrella stave tool.

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1290097
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The damper guide rail merely guides the damper wire and the red felt bushing keeps it from moving in a sloppy fashion and making noise. In piano work there is the concept of "small but definite movement" that guides the way a lot of things should feel and there should be small but definite freedom of the damper wire in the damper guide rail.

High humidity can,as usual, cause felt to swell, binding the damper wire. Technicians prefer to avoid removing a damper if they can, since they can be a pain to put back in place correctly, lifting evenly and not wiggling. The umbrella rib tool, because of it's U shape, lets you insert it around the damper wire, gently pressing the felt without having to remove the damper.

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And...some high end makers don't like using glue since it might seep into the felt and cause clicking. So they put the bushing in just with friction meaning it is especially easy to push it our with the shank, oops, I mean umbrella rib tool.

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Cool! I couldn't get that last part even with phone a friend! laugh

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...and some swab the inside of the hole very lightly with shellac, let it dry, pull the felt through and trim it, then put a drop of alcohol on the felt. The alcohol softens the shellac which then acts as an adhesive holding the felt in place.

I learned this neat trick during a trip to a piano factory somewhere about 25 years back and have been doing it ever since.

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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: BoseEric] #1290176
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Originally Posted by BoseEric
...but why is this more of a problem on some makes, usually high end, than others.


I can't believe no one has answered this simple question. The answer is: Once you've accidentally pushed the bushing down into the action, you usually yell, "I need a beer!", then throw this tool down into your tool case. But, sometimes it bounces back and hits the piano case, creating an unsightly scratch. The high end pianos usually have nicer finishes, so you rush out to your car to get your mini-refinishing kit, only to remember you didn't drive to this person's home, because your drivers license was revoked after having one too many beers at the Capo D'Astro Bar.


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Re: Name that Tool #2 [Re: Eric Gloo] #1290190
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Truly a winner because he appears to speak from experience!

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Dang! Being on the other side of the world continues to work against me! However, the elusive Mug may yet be mine!

This tool is used to stab Vampires in the heart. It is made of pure silver. It can also be used to open barrels of beer!

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As entertaining as threads such as these may be, it makes me cringe to think of all the lurking DIYers out there, just itching to practice their newly learned "tricks of the trade" with "free" professional tools (in this case made from an umbrella pulled from a dumpster....

Oh, man......

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