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#1286373 - 10/13/09 08:20 PM WTC I  
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Am now working on the 24th prelude from WTC I - gorgeous! That's all - just kind of enthused.....


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#1286378 - 10/13/09 08:27 PM Re: WTC I [Re: jnod]  
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Isn't Bach the most satisfying and uplifting music?

If I juxtapose the complexity, harmony, polyphony, precision and emotions of Bach against modern pop tunes, I come away scratching my head wondering what people see in pop. IMO Bach sounds like glory. To me, pop tunes sound like the same short, monotonous phrase sung over and over, often by someone with no vocal or instrumental talent. There is no depth, no complexity, no nuance. My husband tries to convince me that popular musicians are establishing a mood or texture with their rough voices. Sorry, I just don't appreciate it. To me classical musicans demonstrate years of hard, intricate discipline and the music is rich and profound. IMO Bach is among the best. It calms me, uplifts me and clears my mind. Why eat celery when you can have a feast?



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I bought a new piano last spring and the amazing bass made me want to switch repertoire - suddenly I wanted to play Chopan and later 20c stuff - Albinez most recently.

But I always come back to Bach! There's just so much material! I first learned the D minor 2-part invention in 1972 and have been playing fugues and preludes ever since. But I still find amazing permutations of Bach's aesthetic. The most consistently un-boring music I know of.


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#1286384 - 10/13/09 08:43 PM Re: WTC I [Re: gooddog]  
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If I had to choose a single favorite prelude from the WTC, it might be #24 in b minor book I. It has it all: depth, grace, sadness... whatever other exalted state you can think of. The left hand's consistency brings to my mind some kind of ritual, which the right hand's plaints eventually transcend.

I don't know if you've touched the fugue, but I'll let you in on a little secret that a friend revealed to me one day almost 20 years ago. The fugue is generally chromatic and intense, but there is a beautiful gentle episode that appears three times: m.17-20, m.26-29, and towards the end, m.65-68. And here's the secret: this episode is hidden in the prelude! If you're not paying attention it's easy to miss, but Bach definitely throws it in, like a little dab of paint, right there in m.24.

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#1286386 - 10/13/09 08:53 PM Re: WTC I [Re: beet31425]  
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Ha! Will watch for this! Haven't started the fugure yet...


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#1286429 - 10/13/09 10:56 PM Re: WTC I [Re: jnod]  
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Jason, I'll give it a listen.

Fugues are terrific but they sure are finger busters. I'm currently working on the Ab major fugue book one and it's coming awfully slowly. First of all, the fingering is hard. There seem to be many places where I have to play right thumb, right thumb. There are lots of 4th finger over 5th and 3rd over 5th. Also there's a place I'm struggling with where the subject shifts from hand to hand several times within two measures making it pretty complicated to bring out the melody. I'm loving it!


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#1286446 - 10/13/09 11:27 PM Re: WTC I [Re: gooddog]  
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Yes, the Ab major fugue is lovely. I've always particularly liked the sequences in m.11-12, m.14-15 and m.19-20. And then, towards the end (m.31-32) it feels like he's trying to do that sequence again, but instead of a peaceful circle of fifths like before, he stumbles into something far more harmonically challenging, as if to alert the listener that the end approaches.

And tricky. I know what you mean about the melody line split between the two hands (with three other voices to deal with too). For me, for some reason the trickiness of this piece is mostly contained in the first five lines. After that point, like a flight that experienced some turbulence during take-off, I find it smooth going.

-Jason


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#1287166 - 10/14/09 09:12 PM Re: WTC I [Re: beet31425]  
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I'm currently working on the Prelude & Fugue in F sharp major- the prelude is quite easy. The fugue is wonderful! It's so satisfying to finally have a fugue under your fingers! There's nothing like it!

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C sharp minor is definitely my favourite. Gorgeous!!!



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#1287248 - 10/14/09 11:57 PM Re: WTC I [Re: gooddog]  
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Originally Posted by gooddog
Isn't Bach the most satisfying and uplifting music?

If I juxtapose the complexity, harmony, polyphony, precision and emotions of Bach against modern pop tunes, I come away scratching my head wondering what people see in pop. IMO Bach sounds like glory. To me, pop tunes sound like the same short, monotonous phrase sung over and over, often by someone with no vocal or instrumental talent. There is no depth, no complexity, no nuance. My husband tries to convince me that popular musicians are establishing a mood or texture with their rough voices. Sorry, I just don't appreciate it. To me classical musicans demonstrate years of hard, intricate discipline and the music is rich and profound. IMO Bach is among the best. It calms me, uplifts me and clears my mind. Why eat celery when you can have a feast?



well said.. imagine the rockers on musical diets.


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Originally Posted by gooddog
Isn't Bach the most satisfying and uplifting music?

If I juxtapose the complexity, harmony, polyphony, precision and emotions of Bach against modern pop tunes, I come away scratching my head wondering what people see in pop. IMO Bach sounds like glory. To me, pop tunes sound like the same short, monotonous phrase sung over and over, often by someone with no vocal or instrumental talent. There is no depth, no complexity, no nuance. My husband tries to convince me that popular musicians are establishing a mood or texture with their rough voices. Sorry, I just don't appreciate it. To me classical musicans demonstrate years of hard, intricate discipline and the music is rich and profound. IMO Bach is among the best. It calms me, uplifts me and clears my mind. Why eat celery when you can have a feast?


+1

Something must be said for beauty, being a master of your craft, *and* projecting feeling. Pop musicians just do the last of the three.


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