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Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List #1285241
10/12/09 02:38 AM
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1 - Op 49#2 (leichte sonate 2)
2 - Op 49#1 (leichte sonate 1)
3 - Op 79 (coocoo)
4 - Op 14#1 (string quartet)
5 - Op 2#1 (little appassionata)
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6 - Op 10#1
7 - Op 14#2
8 - Op 10#2
9 - Op 26 (marcia funebre)
10 - Op 13 (pathetique)
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11 - Op 54
12 - Op 27#2 (mondschein)
13 - Op 28 (pastorale)
14 - Op 31#3 (the hunt)
15 - Op 78 (for theresa)
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16 - Op 31#2 (tempest)
17 - Op. 22
18 - Op 2#3
19 - Op 2#2
20 - Op 90
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21 - Op 31#1
22 - Op 10#3
23 - Op 27#1
24 - Op 7 (grande sonate)
25 - Op 110
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26 - Op 57 (appassionata)
27 - Op 109
28 - Op 81a (les adieux)
29 - Op 53 (waldstein)
30 - Op 111
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31 - Op 101
32 - Op 106 (hammerklavier)

Ok so this is the list I made, finding information on the internet. I can only play op2/1, 14/1, 79, 49's and op13 (but not at full speed yet). Any help/comments/tips on this list are very much appreciated! But please state which you would like to switch places and why.

Thank you very much.


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: Victor25] #1285377
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I'm curious why you listed the Waldstein near the most difficult? Challenging as it is, Op 57, 109, 110, all more difficult in my opinion.

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Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: Victor25] #1285381
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On another thread you disagreed so strongly with my and Kreisler's suggestions about which Beethoven Sonata another poster should play next, and yet you've only played some of the easier Sonatas yourself?

Your difficulty list isn't based on personal experience(which would not be the same for everyone anyway) but mostly on what some other poster(s) said.

I would put Op. 90 lower on the list. It would make more sense to just put the Sonatas in three or four groups of difficulty than such a specific order.






Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: pianoloverus] #1285403
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For starters, I would put Op. 13 lower on the list and Op. 54 considerably higher. But I agree it would be better to put the sonatas in general groups of difficulty. As I have previously posted, Charles Rosen has written that he thinks the Appasionata as difficult as the Op. 106.


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Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: pianoloverus] #1285458
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
On another thread you disagreed so strongly with my and Kreisler's suggestions about which Beethoven Sonata another poster should play next, and yet you've only played some of the easier Sonatas yourself?

Your difficulty list isn't based on personal experience(which would not be the same for everyone anyway) but mostly on what some other poster(s) said.

I would put Op. 90 lower on the list. It would make more sense to just put the Sonatas in three or four groups of difficulty than such a specific order.


I just disagreed, there was nothing 'so strongly' about. The poster of that thread seemed to be in about the same level as me (he completed the Pathetique), so I just recommended him what I have planned for myself as next. You never told me what you play, and you have an empty profile? Also in that same thread I said I was open to suggestions, what more can a man do? This also isn't very much helping. If you would say place them in 4 groups, then by all means give me a hint on which sonata's should go in which groups. I placed the Waldstein much near the end because of the coda in the last movement.

Last edited by vvanrij; 10/12/09 01:18 PM.

Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: Victor25] #1285513
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Interesting list. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
I posted this ranking about 5 years ago.

There are some differences to yours.

This thread

I would change some things now, but we agree on more than we disagree. smile



1 - Op 49#2
2 - Op 49#1
3 - Op 14#1
4 - Op 2#1
5 - Op 79
6 - Op 10#1
7 - Op 14#2
8 - Op 10#2
9 - Op 26
10 - Op 13 "Pathetique"
11 - Op 54
12 - Op 27#2 "Moonlight"
13 - Op 28 "Pastoral"
14 - Op 31#3
15 - Op 78
16 - Op 31#2 "Tempest"
17 - Op. 22
18 - Op 2#3
19 - Op 2#2
20 - Op 90
21 - Op 31#1
22 - Op 27#1
23 - Op 10#3
24 - Op 7
25 - Op 110
26 - Op 57 "Appasionata"
27 - Op 109
28 - Op 81a "Les Adieux"
29 - Op 53 "Waldstein"
30 - Op 111
31 - Op 101
32 - Op 106 "Hammerklavier"

Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: Phlebas] #1285848
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I don't under stand why op. 110 is consistently rated among the most difficult. We are just talking about technical difficulty, right? I learned it long ago and found it easier than op. 22 or op 78. Wth my limited technique I wasn't able to bring it to a professional standard, but neither was it a disaster. What parts are considered especially challenging?

Re: Beethoven Sonata Difficulty List [Re: Ferdinand] #1285902
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I would definitely say that last part with the Fuge.

Thanks for that list, I placed op79 now also on place five, the rest of the lists are identical (except for 27/1, but that just differs 1 spot, so we pretty much agree on that).

Last edited by vvanrij; 10/13/09 05:28 AM.

Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)

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