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Yes. Think about it: When a key is depressed and the hammer hits a string, the shank reflexes slightly from the impact, altering the sound. That's only one example. Controlling that flex results in a different tone.
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You, BJones, Virtuosic1, and Disciple are all one and the same person. It's too much of a coincidence to have four people with exactly the same writing style, and exactly the same bias against other genres. You'd make a terrible juror. 
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The part about "erroneus delusions" is quite insulting.
You're far too sensitive. It would be a delusion for someone to believe that A-440 is A-439, or A-441, dependent upon whether a classical pianist or a jazz pianists was playing. It would also be delusional to believe that the inherent tone of a piano, it's physical acoustical properties can be controlled, and is different whether played by a classical, jazz, mariachi, samba, or polka pianist. You don't agree with that? Do you actually think that a pianist can control the timbral spectrum of the piano? Meh. It's the S.O.S. You are now on my ignore list.
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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo
Next Up:
BACH: Keyboard Concerto in f minor
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Yes. Think about it: When a key is depressed and the hammer hits a string, the shank reflexes slightly from the impact, altering the sound. That's only one example. Controlling that flex results in a different tone. And which pianists claim to control each and every phase of the articulation and escapement? And of course, my next question would be, since the articulation and escapment on every piano would be slightly different, dwependent not only upon individual company's manufacturing tolerances, but WEAR and environment, wouldn't a pianist that is somehow well versed with controlling every phase of the escapement need to work for quite some time on a different piano that he is not used to, in order to work out the adjustments to his technique? It's all so fantastic and beyond the realm of human control in the 5 to 15 note per second range, unless you're playing at an absolute crawl, as to be the realm of pure fantasy.
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Working On:
BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo
Next Up:
BACH: Keyboard Concerto in f minor
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close your eyes when you see their name?
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How does one ignore users? Ask a question and then ignore the answer. Makes perfect sense.
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Sometimes I wonder if people like you exist only to taunt others unnecessarily.
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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo
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BACH: Keyboard Concerto in f minor
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Sometimes I wonder if people like you exist only to taunt others unnecessarily. Taunt? Since when are hard facts flying counter to fantasy considered taunts?
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I am as obsessed with tone, particularly duplicating somebody's tone like Keith Jarrett. My teacher is obsessed with tone as well. me too!
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It's not the words but the way in which one person thinks themselves better than another without reason................
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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
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if people like you exist only to taunt others unnecessarily. Don't you think your statement is far more digraceful than my pointing out that "tone" is inherent in the piano, not the pianist? Fairly hypocritical I would say. Don't you agree?
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How does one ignore users? View any user's profile, and choose "Ignore this user" on the top bar above the profile.
Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear weapons.
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All in the spirit of good debate.
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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo
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BACH: Keyboard Concerto in f minor
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How does one ignore users? View any user's profile, and choose "Ignore this user" on the top bar above the profile. All better!!
Working On:
BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo
Next Up:
BACH: Keyboard Concerto in f minor
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It's not the words but the way in which one person thinks themselves better than another without reason................ I didn't interject thoughts on myself into the conversation once. I wrote on tone and it being a delusion to think that one can change the tone (inherent acoustical profile) of the piano. Tone is timbre. And the timbre of the piano is a byproduct of mnay factors, from construction to acoustical environment. The tone will remain unchanged if a note is depressed with a set ASR, regardless of the actor.
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How does one ignore users? View any user's profile, and choose "Ignore this user" on the top bar above the profile. All better!! Are you intolerant of basic acoustical science? Or me. Because all I've posted is based on nonconvulated scientific principles of acoustics in regard to "tone".
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My experience is that there are pianists of all genres who are obsessed with tone, but the classical pianists are less likely to have their obsession under control.
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I realize the Title of this thread is already negative and perhaps Troll-ish in composition, but the question is a valid one and need not result in off-topic accusations.
So far we've all agreed that we're all the same, haven't we?
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