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To Twist OR Not To Twist #1273394
09/23/09 10:36 AM
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I know that many techs twist their bass strings 1 complete turn in the direction of the winding when installing them. I was reading a website (string manufacturer) that states not to twist when installing the strings they sell.

http://www.pianostrings.com/howtoinstall.html

Any comments?

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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: ranger] #1273424
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I just replaced the wound bass strings on my piano.

Perhaps it is that manufacturer's suggestion and might not be true for all manufactured wound strings.

I put a half a twist on the GC strings now installed. They are still stretching, much more slowly than in the first month. I figure by year's end they will be fairly stable.

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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: Inlanding] #1273510
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Some do and some do not. The bass strings I purchase from HellerBass in Germany recommend 1-1/2 turns clockwise. The double wound strings only ½ turn clockwise.

Some say the bass string is twisted on itself. I wanted to know if the wire can be twisted on itself during the winding process.

I asked HellerBass about this, and here is the response I received:
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Dear Dan!

I am not sure if I understand all things right which you´re asking me ;-)

But it is not possible with an old winding machine to twist the core wire during winding.

Because the old machines were built out of gear wheels ( cogs ) and a supported shaft between them. So each turn on the left side is absolutely the same on the right side.

I know that an American ( Arledge ) makes advertisement with 1 or 2 twists during the winding procedure. And then there is no need to twist the string during installation.

But you have to believe in the software of these machine. Shorter strings with thick copper needs much less windings during production than a longer string with thin copper.
And I do not believe that Mr. Arledges machine can varies all these settings. Even though it would be hard to believe.

Cheers,
Gregor

www.hellerbass.de

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On the HellerBass web site there is some video shorts...one of which is a bass string being spun if anyone is interested..... wait until the flags come up and then click on the English version.

When I used to purchase my bass strings from Schaff way back I tried once to twist the first few bass strings and they sounded horrible until I took the twist out.......


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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: Silverwood Pianos] #1273590
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I always thought a complete turn was normal, but I understand that even some piano makers don't twist in the assembly line. According to the Arledge website, "Important! Arledge bass strings DO NOT need to be twisted when installed. Doing so could cause undesirable effects." I wonder what the undesirable effects would be? Bad tone? Breakage?


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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: ranger] #1273668
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I would normally only twist older bass strings to 'revive' them -

give them a few more years of usefulness....

although a 1/2 turn is quite normal when putting on a new string.

Some bass strings cannot be twisted anyway - the twist in the

eyelet is sometimes opposite to that of the coil winding.
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John Schofield. NTC Dip. , C.G.L.I.
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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: jpscoey] #1273866
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Kawai does not twist them when installing them. If the tone is bad in a particular string, though, it will get 1/2 turn during the tuning stages. If it doesn't fix it, a new string goes on.


Don Mannino, MPA
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Re: To Twist OR Not To Twist [Re: KawaiDon] #1274831
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KawaiDon, may I ask what kind of strings Kawai uses (Mapes, Arledge, etc)?


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