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Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? #1271427
09/20/09 05:38 AM
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I read somewhere that the "regular" DP990 only has 3 samples per key (vs 4 for the HP207). Does the DP990R Polished Ebony also have 4 samples per key in addition to the ivory feel and different finish versus the regular DP990s?

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Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: SnowTown] #1271476
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I have a Williams Overture digital.
I don't know how many "samples
per key" it has, and I don't care.
This is a budget digital,
one of the least expensive
ones around, at $600,
but I can play anything on it,
including advanced works like
big-time concertos.

The 990, regular of ebony, is
a much more expensive digital than
mine, and will perform much
better. So worrying about
how many "samples per key" it
has is irrelevant, in my view.


Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: Gyro] #1271658
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where is the number of samples used for each Roland piano listed usually?
i am curious to find out where we can read that?
I have not been able to find a link.
anyone has better luck?

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: Gyro] #1271832
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Originally Posted by Gyro
The 990, regular of ebony, is
a much more expensive digital than
mine, and will perform much
better. So worrying about
how many "samples per key" it
has is irrelevant, in my view.



Reading posts from this forum, it was said that there is a significant difference between 4 vs 3 samples... so it is relevant in my view.

I like the RD700GX keyboard/touch in a more simplistic package for home + recording function. And it looks like the 990R might be it.

The 990R is currently going for around $2900 and not many online places carries it... yet (hopefully). Hoping the price might come down in the future. Or maybe some type of %20 off deal from online places like guitar center, musician friend...etc.

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: SnowTown] #1272338
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I just realized that what was meant by the number of samples was the number of dynamic levels, so nevermind my previous post.
I just checked the dp990r specs, and unfortunately it has 3 dynamic levels only.
Too bad...
the dp990r does still seem very tempting with the ivory keys, polished ebony etc...
Indeed I can't wait for a good sale.

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: mariaristotle] #1272341
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Originally Posted by mariaristotle
I just realized that what was meant by the number of samples was the number of dynamic levels, so nevermind my previous post.
I just checked the dp990r specs, and unfortunately it has 3 dynamic levels only.
Too bad...
the dp990r does still seem very tempting with the ivory keys, polished ebony etc...
Indeed I can't wait for a good sale.


I asked roland's customer support/service and they answered 4. Where did you find specs that say 3? Could the support people be mistaking? Here's the reply I got.

"The DP-990R has the 4 samples for all 88 keys, multi-sampled piano."

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: SnowTown] #1272348
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That is just so strange:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/DP-990R/specs.html
and:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1023&ParentId=40
on both links, it says that the piano has 3 dynamic levels.
Does that mean that:
1- the salesperson is wrong,
2- samples are not dynamic levels?

So confused....

Why would Roland add a 4th dynamic level to the dp990r compared to the dp990 anyways? Because I really thought it was supposed to be the same piano but with the ivory keys and the polished ebony. Technically it should be the only difference. I do not know what to think of that...

Maybe you could ask the salesperson for a link?

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: mariaristotle] #1272354
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Also, has anyone found a better deal for the dp990r than the one on Kraft music yet ($2900)?

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: mariaristotle] #1273109
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Snow Town,
Please let me know what the Roland's customer support/service says about this issue if you recontact him or her.
If I don't hear from you, I will try emailing them too and will let you know.
Thank you.

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Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: mariaristotle] #1273118
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Originally Posted by mariaristotle
That is just so strange:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/DP-990R/specs.html
and:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1023&ParentId=40
on both links, it says that the piano has 3 dynamic levels.


I looked at the link and it *doesn't* say that the piano has 3 dynamic sample layers. What it says is that there are three types of "dynamic effects" that can be applied. I have an HP-203, so I know what they are talking about. There are three sets of pre-set equalizations ("power" with boosted Bass and treble response, "deep" with boosted bass, etc.). These can be applied optionally, if you like how they sound. But they don't affect the main piano sample.

The piano sample on the DP-990 is apparently the same as the HP-203, which is a 4-level dynamic sample on each key. I'm fairly sure that this would be the same for all cabinet finishes (Ebony, etc.)

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: Geoffk] #1273287
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Well that answers many questions I had, and clears the confusion.
Thank you Geoff, I really appreciate.

So far I am still hesitating between the dp990, the 203, and the 207...

Are the synthetic ivory keys a big plus?

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: mariaristotle] #1273741
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I like the synthetic ivory, but that's not the main reason that I prefer the HP-207. The main reasons are:

1. It sounds a lot better. The tweeters and extra sampling on the treble end (duplex scale) along with the equalization, give it a much brighter and more balanced sound, even with headphones. It's a much punchier and nicer piano sound.

2. The bigger display is much more convenient. I need to look at the manual to tell what sound I'm using on the HP-203.

3. The panel is better designed and your fingers don't hit it when you play.

4. Some of my favorite sounds, especially organs and electric pianos, are missing on the 203. Also the leslie effect and other effects are much more usable on the 207.

Also the cabinet is much classier looking and better made on the 207, with a more convenient headphone jack.

In all, the 207 is definitely worth the extra money. Between the 203 and DP-990, I think the difference is mostly cabinetry and style, so that's just a personal choice. But the 207 is much nicer than either one.

Re: Roland DP990R Polished Ebony Sample Number? [Re: Geoffk] #1273779
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4. Some of my favorite sounds, especially organs and electric pianos, are missing on the 203. Also the leslie effect and other effects are much more usable on the 207.


I agree, the Rhodes and Hammond sounds on the HP-207 are bloody good - and I'm saying this as Nord Electro fanboy.

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