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#126598 - 03/11/05 06:58 PM Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I've been considering several different uprights but the one I can't seem to forget is the K52 S&S upright.

I've heard they can be somewhat difficult to work on & keep tuned. Is this true?

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#126599 - 03/11/05 07:05 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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What's the price range of this piano - and have you looked at other options perhaps also generously available in that $$ range??

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#126600 - 03/11/05 07:28 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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Norbert,
I believe the price is in the $20 - $22K USD.

I've looked at Boston uprights, August Forester & will check out Walter's on a trip I will make to a city with a dealer at the end of the month.

I love the full sound and touch of this piano.
I must admit that aesthetics play somewhat of a role in this also - as I love the traditional case and burled walnut.

I don't have room for a grand and I would like a piano that will meet the needs of my family as we develop as pianists.

I've got a significant birthday and anniversary coming up and my husband will be happy not to have to go shopping...

#126601 - 03/11/05 07:55 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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Well there is a right piano for everyone - perhaps this *is* the one for you after all!

Once you have covered all your bases - which should always include checking on a few similiar [or better priced.... wink ] alternatives - the decision is entirely yours.

For which I may wish you sincerely the very best!

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#126602 - 03/11/05 07:59 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I'm totally jealous, that is one of the most awesome uprights ever made. Of the ones I have serviced I have found them to be wonderful instruments. They need the same attention before delivery that any high quality piano needs, but after proper dealer prep they can be outstanding!


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#126603 - 03/11/05 08:12 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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Perhaps I've had bad experiences with many NY Steinway uprights. In fact, I've had lots of bad experiences with these pianos -- I've known quite a few as practice room pianos, office pianos and classroom pianos when I was in academia.

Who's to blame, I'm not sure. These pianos tended to get a lot of use, but they were also well-maintained, by excellent technicians. Yet none were among the better upright pianos I've played. Hamburg Steinways yes, New York Steinways no.

I'm only speaking of the uprights here, and only those I've played myself. Of course some of the most wonderful pianos I've ever played were NY Steinways -- but somehow, never the uprights.

So before spending so much on a K-52, I'd hope that you might look at some other high-end uprights, especially from Germany. If then you find that the best piano (for you) is the NY Steinway K-52, I congratulate you. But I think that you owe it to yourself to compare.

Your mileage may vary,

Bootsy

#126604 - 03/12/05 04:29 AM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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You should check out Larry Fine's "The Piano Book". He has a large section on S&S.

He does say that the S&S verticals are difficult to tune but says they hold their tune quite well.

I wouldn't worry too much about it as a consumer, so what if the tech takes 15-30m longer tuning you piano than he would some other model??

By the way - I've played a few Steinway uprights and they are fantastic pianos.


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#126605 - 03/12/05 05:17 AM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I have to admit that the K52 in walnut is one beautiful piano. (there is one at our local Steinway dealer that has been there for a while.) This one has a pretty good sound to it as well. However, the K52 is pretty pricey for what you get.

I spent well over a year on my upright search and subsquently looked at the majority of uprights on the market. (not AFs or Bechsteins).

For my money the uprights I would seriously consider before plunking down 22k+ for the K52 would be the 52" Bohemia, M&H Model 50, Grotrian, 52" Petrof, Yamaha U5 and Fandrich & Sons 50".

#126606 - 03/14/05 05:54 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I am discovering just how difficult it is to purchase a piano. When I finally started to consider the decision made (Steinway K52), I stopped to do some more research and now I'm getting the feeling that beyond being just "pricey", the Steinway is much, much, much more expensive than comperable performing piano's. I just don't seem to be able to find a really classy traditional case that I like in other piano's. At the same time I don't want to feel like I made a mistake. :rolleyes:

I'm going to look some more...

#126607 - 03/14/05 06:04 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I would recommend considering other pianos. I had a Steinway technician who used to tune my upright and thanked his lucky stars that he did not have to tune another Steinway upright.

Have you considered Bohemia? Sauter? Grotrian? All of these make great uprights that have far more value for the money (ascending order).

Also look at the Schimmel uprights. Then the Bechsteins also come to mind.

Another American upright which has (IMHO) a better sound is the full size (52") Mason and Hamlin - does anybody know if they still make this model?

There is a world of uprights out there and in my own opinion the Steinway does not represent the best of the pack.

But then there is the heart - and if you've fallen for one particular piano. There is nothing for you to do but go for it!


Regards,

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#126608 - 03/14/05 06:09 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I may as well tell you that I am [was?] a Pramberger JP dealer for several years but will not hesitate to make you aware of their *drop dead* beautiful JP 52" - for a fraction of the price of the Steinway.

And are these models similiar?

I really believe they are.

While I was never hot on their 48" models, their JP 52" really were quite something.

[They also apparently make an outstanding 49" model I saw once at the NAAM show but never had in stock myself!]

The 52" model is one of the most overlooked top notch uprights I have ever seen - it comes in a variety of stunning wood finishes!

Find yourself a Young Chang dealer who has some of these pianos in stock - and write me
"Thank You" card later.

Will add it to my wall.........

norbert wink


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#126609 - 03/14/05 06:26 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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I think that the reason for the lack of selection is the general lack of a market for a $20k + piano.

I agree with the other posters that there is a huge range of pianos out there for the same or less money that should give you more satisfaction. If I were you, I'd be calling Beethoven's in NYC, Keith at Pianocraft in MD (who has a Steingraeber upright -- how's that for big $$), perhaps Chris Finger in Colorado, Altenberg's in NJ, and anyone else who sells high-end German pianos in the U.S. Don't worry about losing a particular K-52 -- there should always be more around.

Jim

#126610 - 03/14/05 06:40 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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Grotriman, I think that the Mason & Hamlin upright is a single model, which is 50" tall. It seems like a very nice piano to me, based on briefly playing one M&H 50 at Faust-Harrison in New York. I thought that this was by far the best upright that they had in their store when I visited them (fall 2004), and it was simply because I hadn't yet raised my price range to that level that I didn't seriously consider it a potential candidate to buy. A very big bass, an aggressive but complex tone, a very responsive action -- a fine piano, in the same ballpark pricewise as August Foerster, Sauter and Grotrian pianos of similar size and quality, perhaps slightly less expensive and therefore a good value in a dynamite American piano.

Wonderful to say, none of these pianos could be mistaken for any of the others -- each has its own distinctive personality. All of these are worth considering as alternatives to NY Steinway uprights, and if possible you ought to try them out; another alternative would be the Hamburg Steinway, and another would be the C. Bechstein, and still others come to mind -- Bosendorfer, Bluethner, Steingraeber, Schimmel and Seiler: there are plenty of high-end upright pianos worth playing if you have the opportunity.

I certainly enjoyed playing many of these pianos before pulling the trigger on a Grotrian. Of course, if you are in love with a particular Steinway upright, by all means go for it. But don't forget that there exist a lot of possibilities for someone willing to exceed 10K, much less 20K, for an upright piano.

Best,

Bootsy

P.S. You also might try some less-expensive pianos as well, such as Bohemia, Petrof, Shulze-Pollman, Pleyel, Yamaha, Kawai, etc., as suggested by some posters above.

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The K-52 is a great piano, much better than their smaller model, and the classic lines of the case are unique among today's pianos. It's expensive, but if it's to your taste, you shouldn't feel bad about getting one.

If the cost is a strain on your budget, and you like the styling, you might want to look into a well-restored old American upright, but it is difficult to know the good ones from the so-so, and there are not a lot of people who restore them well.


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#126612 - 03/15/05 12:22 AM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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If I were you I would also try the Bösendorfer upright which is an amazing piano as well as the Bechstein Concert 8.

Both are incredible pianos in every sense and in addition with a beautiful cabinet.

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You could try a Pleyel 131 (thats cm's high). Just the bass will I think amaze you. A most loveable sound and with deep rich vibrations more than I've ever found even on the many high ranking grands.

Alan

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I'm not sure where you are located - but pianos I'd give a try - Mason & Hamlin, Schulz Pollman and if you're near MD - try the unbelievable Steingraeber that PianoCraft has. Mind you, I'm a fan of S&S - and won't beat you up for choosing it - but there are some other great uprights you should also play before the decision.

K

#126615 - 03/15/05 01:46 PM Re: Almost ready to get a Steinway upright  
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Another thought:

Why an upright? If you have so much money to spend, I assume you have enough space at home for a grand. Of course, this assumption could be wrong, but seriously consider a grand. It is so much better and *different*!

While I'm generally very pro Steinway, I'm not impressed with their uprights. As mentioned above, try at least a Grotrian or Bechstein. The Steingraeber is also wonderfull. All of them are -in my opinion- better uprights than the Steinway's.

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OK, as the owner of a K, I feel obliged to jump in here to defend my piano :p

A well-prepped and maintained K is an excellent piano. There is certainly nothing wrong with the scale design. I have played some (not all) of the other high-end uprights, like the Boesendorfer 130CL, and I didn't think they were necessarily better than what I have, just different. They all, and that includes the Steinway, were clearly a cut above the second tier brands like the Yamaha U series. My K has an excellent tone which my tech says is the best of all the uprights he works on, and the touch, although certainly limited compared to a grand, is more than fine for an upright. If you think a K meets your needs, don't hestitate to get one. I love mine.

Having said that, of course you should play other brands and see which one meets your personal preference. Also, if you have $25K to spend, other posters are correct that you should see what grands might be available in your price range.


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On a trip to Cunninghams a couple of years back, Rich had both a M&H and a Bosendorfer upright - the M&H was wonderful, and the Bosie was incredible. Price-wise, the M&H would be less than the S&S, the Bosie just slightly more.

I've played several S&S K-52s, and think that they were all very "quirky" - none of them sang to me.

I'd encourage you to at least look at the M&H, and hope to find the Bosie to look at. Goosebumps!

Steve

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Great uprights, one and all. But if you have the money and the space, a good quality grand will afford you more playing pleasure.

If you have your heart set on an upright, you could certainly do worse than a "K"! But I'd look around before making the plunge. Lots of great uprights out there in that price range. I like the M and H, and the Seilers quite a bit. And if you want to save a chunk of change, the Bohemias are quite nice!


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To paraphrase Larry Fine:

High-end uprights have a very limited market. They are for those with almost unlimited funds, but with very limited space, a relatively rare situation.

I own a very nice vertical that is built well and plays well (Charles Walter). Space was an issue for me. But my piano was between $5 and $6 thousand.

If I were shopping in the $20 thousand plus range, I'd have found a way to fit a grand. There are lots of very nice instruments to choose from in that price range.


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Nice to meet you over at Scott's. Yes, I have to admit it's hard to get over the piano shopping bug after shopping for two years! laugh
I just had to look at his new Bosie and the Rosewood Bluthner while I was "in the area". cool
You have received some great advice here .... glad to see you looking at the grand option again. If you can make it work in your room you will never regret it. We love ours more and more every day as it has filled our home with joy! thumb


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I'm very grateful for all the information from folks on this forum.

Recent update, I've revisited the space issue and am also looking at squeezing in a smaller grand. I've looked at the Estonia and a smaller Petrof and liked them both. Even for a novice like me, the difference in touch between the grands and the uprights is noticable.

Any other smaller grand contenders I should look at in the $20K range?

Jay - nice to meet you too and thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you like your Estonia.

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Any other smaller grand contenders I should look at in the $20K range?
Schimmel and Vogel are two.

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I'd check out an RX1 (5'4")and RX2(5'10"). The actions in these pianos are very nice, and the tone is quite pleasing! Bohemia makes some nice grands, too, but I don't know about price ranges for them.

When you try the pianos out, suggest to the store owners that you are serious and that you'd like to hear what the pianos sound like in a well-tuned state. Hearing one tuned and another not tuned will make a big difference in your perception of the instrument.


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Agreed ... prep can make a world of difference. thumb


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The best of the small grands is certainly the Steingraeber 168. Most grands of this size aren't that terrific, but the Steingraeber is. Check it out!

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If you are willing to drop 20k plus for an upright IMO S&S K-52 is one of the worse choices.

I will seriously consider a Steigraeber or a Seiler 132 SMR.

These pianos WILL blow away any S&S upright or a model S.... baby grand.
In terms of looks they also beautiful and by far more refine than Steinway.

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I played on the

K132 (Hammburg) !!
Bosie 130CL
Bechstein concert8
Grotrian 130
Yamaha U5 or SU

And the best in touch and tone was K132 !!
Even the V125 (Hamburg) was excellent , the touch of Steinway pianos is far better than any other pianos!Even Grand yamaha!!!

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