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#1259072 - 08/30/09 04:16 PM Music Therapy information?  
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I have to write a 10 page paper on Music Therapy. Can anyone send me off in a good direction? I want to focus on piano, but I can use it all.
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#1259355 - 08/30/09 11:26 PM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Ebony and Ivory]  
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My wife earned her first degree in Music Therapy and worked in the field until we had kids and she stayed home.

It's hard to point you in any good direction - but know that music therapy is more therapy than music, and piano is an unlikely candidate.

The basic premise is to avoid the YAVIS principle. That is, that Young Affluent Verbal Intelligent Successful patients do very well with talk therapy, and the other 99% of them are hard to reach. So you branch out into music, dance, sports, occupational, etc., in an effort to connect.

Music therapist are not required to play at high skill levels. They deal hands on with very low functioning patients - in my wife's case with profoundly retarded, adults who functioned at a 3 year old level. People who are not continent and will never learn to dress themselves.

Piano isn't good because it interferes with you getting your hands on your client. Almost any other instrument isolates you less. Of course piano is a required course in the curriculum for other reasons but it is of little use in actual practise most of the time.


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#1259402 - 08/31/09 01:58 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: TimR]  
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Originally Posted by TimR
My wife earned her first degree in Music Therapy and worked in the field until we had kids and she stayed home.

It's hard to point you in any good direction - but know that music therapy is more therapy than music, and piano is an unlikely candidate.

The basic premise is to avoid the YAVIS principle. That is, that Young Affluent Verbal Intelligent Successful patients do very well with talk therapy, and the other 99% of them are hard to reach. So you branch out into music, dance, sports, occupational, etc., in an effort to connect.

Music therapist are not required to play at high skill levels. They deal hands on with very low functioning patients - in my wife's case with profoundly retarded, adults who functioned at a 3 year old level. People who are not continent and will never learn to dress themselves.

Piano isn't good because it interferes with you getting your hands on your client. Almost any other instrument isolates you less. Of course piano is a required course in the curriculum for other reasons but it is of little use in actual practise most of the time.

Tim, I would not argue with a word of what you wrote above, because quite obviously this is a field you know a great deal about. And I don't.

I do want to add that at this time I am working with two students who are described as "high-functioning autistic", and I'm going strictly by the seat of my pants. I'm not a lable person, and I'm not sure the above label is even useful, much less accurate. I do know that both these students have rigid rules, feel comfortable working in a more limited framework (can't describe this very well) but are absolutely wonderful to work with.

Perhaps other instruments would help even more, but both seem to make a connection with the piano and love the structure of the instrument.

This makes me wonder if different people are "helped" by different instruments, depending on whatever strengths and limitations they have that might get them "letter labels".

I also don't know where the positive effects of playing any instrument stop being or start being therapeutic. I bow to your knowledge here.

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#1259488 - 08/31/09 08:05 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Gary D.]  
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When you start your research, keep in mind that Music Therapy is 10% music, 90% therapy. Most of the information will come from the various MT associations and digging around in ERIC, PsychINFO, JSTOR, and similar places.


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#1259513 - 08/31/09 09:29 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Kreisler]  
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I woudl also check out some books on music psychology, as I'm sure there would be some valuable information for you there. I recall D. Deutsch wrote a couple of books/articles on the subject. There are tons of good databases of professionals journals out there, as Kreisler recommended, that have full articles published online for free (some you have to pay, but you can still read the abstracts to know if it's a worthwhile purchase (or sometimes the information you need is right there and you won't have to buy the article ;)). EBSCO is one such database. Try logging onto your local library website and seeing what online research tools are available through them. Also, you can use any state university libraries in your state, and many of them have a borrowing system through your local public library.


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#1259556 - 08/31/09 10:57 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Morodiene]  
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Here's a recent literature review on music therapy that you might find helpful, and that will contain lots of citations to other scholarly references:

Gold, C., Solli, H. P., Kr├╝ger, V., & Lie, S. A. (2009). Dose-response relationship in music therapy for people with serious mental disorders: Systematic review and meta-analysis. Clinical Psychology Review, 29, 193-207.


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#1259603 - 08/31/09 12:12 PM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Gary D.]  
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Originally Posted by Gary D.
I do want to add that at this time I am working with two students who are described as "high-functioning autistic",

Perhaps other instruments would help even more, but both seem to make a connection with the piano and love the structure of the instrument.

smile


No, I think you're doing them a world of good, and piano is working out fine for them.

It's just that much of music therapy is done in a group setting with much lower functioning clients. Piano doesn't work out as well in these settings, whether it is the therapist or the client who plays. For a therapist, playing is not performing, but an act of connecting personality.


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#1260172 - 09/01/09 09:08 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Ebony and Ivory]  
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Hi E & I,
I'm a Board Certified Music Therapist. What sorts of things are you looking to use in your paper? You can PM me for more info, but here's a good place to start, at our website:
www.musictherapy.org.

I'll look forward to hearing from you...
til then good luck!
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#1260859 - 09/02/09 06:45 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: BSP]  
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Thank you everyone! I am off to a great start smile

Bev, I went there and lo and behold!!! I had already been there while "digging" around online smile Lots of good info there

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#1260890 - 09/02/09 08:52 AM Re: Music Therapy information? [Re: Ebony and Ivory]  
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I've looked online, and not been impressed by the resources.

You may want to check at a library, if you have a decent one available.

I see Bev is Board Certified. Last time I paid any attention there were two paths to credentials. There was Registered, and there was Board Certified, and the two didn't mix. That was years ago, perhaps by now some reconciliation has occurred.


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