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pilgrimjoel,

From what you have told us, this dealer is a floor lizard. Showing someone a catastrophe piano from a competing brand is one of the older and more despicable tricks in the book.

If you have met Chris Pfund, seen his Grotrians, and done any research of your own, you would not credit this other 'dealer's' statements at all.

Why are we even talking about this? All we know is that there is some unnamed dealer (though the number of 'former' Grotrian dealers is vanishingly small) saying rather dumb and transparently self-interested things. Is there a point here? The allegations of this supposed dealer are not very newsworthy, are they?

Yes, you're probably right. Floor Lizard -- albeit somewhat interesting to us as a character, given that we were pretty immune to his pressure. I was mainly curious if others had similar feelings about QC slipping with Kawai. The consensus seems to be the opposite -- except maybe some issues with the digitals.

Of course, we didn't credit what he said about Grotrian. They're still top of our list at the moment. Although if we were looking at grands, we'd add Forster. But for uprights, Grotrian still very much our favorite.

Thank you - we all "should" be opinionated - otherwise there is nothing to compare *against*.

That's why trashing a brand - any brand - doesn't make any sense - be it from a business, pianistical or philosophical perspective.

We would'nt need a great variety of pianos or some 10 million plus posts here if all could be said in one single thread and agreement about all things imaginable could be accomplished in 5 minutes flat.

We would only need to play one composer, one piece of music on only one single piano.

Next we would need an ears' specialist confirming we all hear the exact same and a neurologist confirming our brains and emotions work exactly same way as well.

Add to this one single psychiatrist confirming we all are in fact crazy - same way!

Na, that one for sure will never work....

"What a wonderful world"

Let's keep on trotting....

Norbert

Ahhmmm... ok... we're talking about one of the world's best makers of pianos here. Grotrians are excellent instruments. The new ones have amazing tonal color. I've played two older Grotrians that had been used at our high school. Generations of teachers and students had beaten the heck out of them, but that singing Grotrian sound they couldn't break. Although in desperate need to be rebuilt after decades of institutional use, they sound amazing.

Reminds me of that guy who - unsolicited, I might add - told me that Seilers don't hold up in the U.S. and will literally fall apart. There is always a "professional" who will tell you something absurd if they don't have real reasons.

More frequently, one hears similar allegations leveled towards Kawai and/or Yamaha. More frequently not because these makers are more unreliable but because they're better known, thus increasing the chance to be picked on. If a piano won't hold up, chances are it is not a German or a Japanese piano.

I should say, he claimed to be a former Grotrian dealer with extensive knowledge.... Blah, blah. I can say the Grotrian uprights are the most solid-looking pianos we've ever seen.

Don't even consider dealing with that salesperson. He is making absurd accusations. Obviously, he is not trustworthy, and you certainly can't take his word on anything. Gaby Tu