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#1227895 - 07/06/09 07:23 PM Does practice really make a difference?  
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#1227896 - 07/06/09 07:27 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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#1227897 - 07/06/09 07:29 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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What makes you think it doesn't? I definitely play a song better after practicing it, and even better after doing so for a week, 2 weeks, etc. Even students who practice only by playing through can get better at a piece, although it my not be as well done as with *good* practice. wink


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#1227902 - 07/06/09 07:37 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Janus K. Sachs]  
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#1227908 - 07/06/09 07:45 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: cardguy]  
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#1227910 - 07/06/09 07:47 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: agraffe]  
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#1227911 - 07/06/09 07:48 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: cardguy]  
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Of course it makes a difference. Indeed, what else would in lieu thereof?

In the words of Carl Czerny: "Practice is the great Magician, who not only makes apparent impossibilities performable, but even easy."

Obviously, we're talking about focused, "good" practice. The only mistake might be to think you'll notice results within a single practice session. I think instead that you need to sleep on it (i.e., "post-practice syndrome" or however that phenomenon is labeled).

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#1227912 - 07/06/09 07:54 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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What is *good* practice? How do you make practice interesting?
Clearly there is too much focus on the finished performance. But effective practicing is such an interesting science.

There is clearly an 'Alpha state' during which the mind and body are going to work together and then practice is most effective. If this alpha state is understood then it is not necessary to spend hours slaving away at the keyboard. This also applies to other disciplines.




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#1227913 - 07/06/09 07:58 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Arabesque]  
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#1227924 - 07/06/09 08:17 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Morodiene]  
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
What makes you think it doesn't? I definitely play a song better after practicing it, and even better after doing so for a week, 2 weeks, etc. Even students who practice only by playing through can get better at a piece, although it my not be as well done as with *good* practice. wink


"Good" practice, yes. But don't you hate the expression: "only perfect practice makes perfect"? Every time I hear someone say that I want to slap them because who is, after all, perfect?


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#1227929 - 07/06/09 08:28 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Barb860]  
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#1227935 - 07/06/09 08:47 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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Practice is critical to any level of improvement. cool

#1227944 - 07/06/09 09:04 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Barb860]  
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^ good point. no such thing as perfect practice and no such thing as a perfect performance.

I could screw up something as easy as Beethoven's 'Fur Elise' in public, no matter how good I thought I was ...

accidents are prone to happen no matter what ...

practice however is highly essential to minimize the chances of messing up ... it coudn't hurt...

#1227948 - 07/06/09 09:19 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Journee Oubliee]  
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#1227950 - 07/06/09 09:41 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: wdot]  
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#1227953 - 07/06/09 09:51 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Monica K.]  
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Originally Posted by Monica K.
Unnecessary repetition of point made earlier.

And yet repetition is a necessary part of practice. smile

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#1227961 - 07/06/09 10:23 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Barb860]  
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As opposed to what ? Not practicing and just playing on the fly ?

I wish I could do that...

#1227962 - 07/06/09 10:40 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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Practicing is very important. Quality time spent with a piece from focused and varied perspectives are always an aiding factor in a musical relationship.

There is always the danger of "suffocating" a piece of music, or pain caused by "over-practicing"
but that usually results from pushing or forcing, emotionally or technically.

It's more of an internal debate on what balanced practice means to each individual, what works. And physically, how much of a muscular foundation is available for an endurance that feels right.


#1227965 - 07/06/09 11:02 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: cccyyy]  
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Yes, of course practice in general makes a very big difference. However, contrary to the proverb, it does not make perfect but just makes permanent. So if you practise in silly ways for years you will acquire negative habits which are hard to correct. Ideally, I suppose optimal practice habits and a good general technique should be established when relatively young by a good teacher. Then you are more or less set on course for life and can concentrate on your music.


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#1227993 - 07/07/09 03:32 AM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Ted]  
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no, practice doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Most pianists don't practice.

Most performers sight read at their concerts, or memorise the music only by reading, not by practicing.


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#1228016 - 07/07/09 07:13 AM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Wise Idiot]  
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No, I attain all my improvement from sleeping with my digital piano under my pillow. Practice is for losers.

#1228095 - 07/07/09 11:51 AM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Robert Kenessy]  
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Originally Posted by Robert Kenessey
no, practice doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Most pianists don't practice.

Most performers sight read at their concerts, or memorise the music only by reading, not by practicing.


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#1228096 - 07/07/09 11:52 AM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: ManyHandedMusician]  
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#1228108 - 07/07/09 12:09 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: gooddog]  
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What an awesome thread!

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#1228110 - 07/07/09 12:20 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: sotto voce]  
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Psh. Practice. Ha! What an outdated idea. Sight read at concerts and say you're using a score to "honour the composer".



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#1228119 - 07/07/09 12:35 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: sotto voce]  
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What an awesome thread!

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WHAT AN AWESOME THREAD!!!!!!!!!


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#1228121 - 07/07/09 12:36 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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Practicing wisely is what makes the difference. Practicing for the sake of practicing without focus on the tasks is useless because nothing is gained from the wasted time.

I agree with Ted. Practice basically reinforces what we're doing by rehearsing the acts over and over, and by practicing poorly and sloppily, we could easily practice the bad habits, which are nearly impossible to break once they have formed.

When we get to the performance stage in a piece, our mind and fingers have been playing the piece so long that it becomes second nature. Being nervous doesn't count because that can interfere, but practicing a piece well and gaining a good solid confidence in it will keep the nerves from interfering with the performance.

Some people are an exception to this. Horowitz and Rubenstein never practiced yet their performances were extraordinary. Perhaps they had practiced a lot earlier in their careers and had rehearsed their music so well back then that they no longer needed to work on it.


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#1228128 - 07/07/09 12:49 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: John Citron]  
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I learn by osmosis. Practice is for unimaginative people.

#1228159 - 07/07/09 01:57 PM Re: Does practice really make a difference? [Re: Boira]  
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Only the mediocre practice. In fact, if you need to practice to improve, you really should be doing something else.


It always cracks me up though when i see richter saying he seldom practiced more than 3 hours a day on the Enigma film by Monsangeon. Then a minute later the director tells Richter's wife and she says "You're kidding? 3? Rather 6, 8, 10 ..."

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