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#1222583 - 06/25/09 11:04 AM Roland FP-7 - Key issues?  
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Hi, I'm buying a digital piano tomorrow. I've already tried several of them at a store, and I was amazed with the Roland FP-7. The keys felt very real (I can't say for sure if they're similar to my acoustic upright, they just feel right), as opposed to some keyboards, like the DGX 630 and P-85 (I thought they felt like plastic). I've also tried a Yamaha P-140 and also liked the keyboard feel. However, the Roland FP-7 as a ton of features that cannot be beat by the Yamaha P-140 (customizable piano sounds, session partner, audio key, a ton of other voices, USB memory, etc), which I think I'll appreciate if I later want to play on a band or at weddings.

So, I tried to gather information on Roland FP-7, and found out about the "hard key bottom" problem (I didn't notice anything at the store, but I just gave it a quick try). For those who have bought it, is this really an issue, or something you can live with (ie: after one month of use you don't notice it)?

Also, do you know if the P-120 or P-140 have some kind of "Session Partner" (accompaniment) feature?

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#1222631 - 06/25/09 12:54 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: AgnorPT]  
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"HKB" is noticeable at very low volumes.

Not to disturb anyone, I use headphones ....
sounds really good thru headphones.

Normal playing with volume at approx 1/4 or above,
"HKB" is not an issue for me.

No experience with P-120/140.

#1222636 - 06/25/09 01:03 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: AgnorPT]  
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The impression I have is that this is a design trade-off.
In order to get mercurial key response, like on a concert
grand, and at the same time keep the price within a
reasonable range in a mass-produced electronic
device, the space the key travels through
needs to be free of any obstructions, like cushioning,
for example. Thus, in this particular model, the
"bottoming" might appear to be slightly harder than
in a model with more "cushioning," but not as impressive
performance.

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#1222653 - 06/25/09 01:30 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: Gyro]  
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For once Gyro actually admits that a concert grand does have a real advantage over most DPs -- "mercurial key response".

Still it would be nice to have a bit more cushioning at the VERY bottom -- it wouldn't really affect performance.

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#1222655 - 06/25/09 01:35 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: dookulooku]  
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I didn't find the FP-7 to bottom out too hard; for example, Roland's own RD-700GX and the Yamaha DGX-630 you mentioned seem to bottom out harder. If you didn't notice initially, then you're probably good to go haha


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#1222723 - 06/25/09 03:50 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: 7even]  
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Agnor PT,

I've had an FP7 for more than 18 months and used it daily. I have never experienced any discomfort, distraction, or technique problems from the piano's action. I have a Petrof acoustic as well and I have no problem switching back and forth.

There are those here who say that if you try an FP7 in a shop, you will know immediately that something is noticeably wrong with it. My own conclusion is that there is something wrong with them. Either they are ham-fisted or else they are direct descendants of the Princess who felt the pea under 20 mattresses and 20 featherbeds.


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#1222730 - 06/25/09 04:10 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: turandot]  
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Thank you all for your answers.

Turandot, thank you, if you haven't had any problem within 18 months of daily use, I guess my wrists can handle it smile

Can't wait for tomorrow :P

#1222777 - 06/25/09 06:26 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: AgnorPT]  
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I agree, I have had my FP7 for several months and also have a Yamaha G7 so I have a good comparison. The FP7 feels great to me and I'm not sure I even know what they're talking about. I play it a LOT, even in semi-public (weddings etc) and have experienced no problems with 'hard bottoming' at all. It's fun to play.

Go for it!


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#1222951 - 06/26/09 05:35 AM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: Roger Ransom]  
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Not that you need any more proof, but I've had the FP-7 for about 3 months now, and the 'HKB' is not as big a deal, as some yamaha fans like to make it smile Personally I don't even notice it as a problem. Yamaha keys, however, are so light that they feel more like keyboards. And the wooden feel is just awful in my opinion.

Go for the FP-7, it's just a great DP. And it has 5 years of warranty

#1223029 - 06/26/09 09:34 AM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: Kasper Nielsen]  
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Originally Posted by Kasper Nielsen
Not that you need any more proof, but I've had the FP-7 for about 3 months now, and the 'HKB' is not as big a deal, as some yamaha fans like to make it smile Personally I don't even notice it as a problem. Yamaha keys, however, are so light that they feel more like keyboards. And the wooden feel is just awful in my opinion.

Go for the FP-7, it's just a great DP. And it has 5 years of warranty


The HKB abbreviation is amusing. Maybe Roland can capitalize on the codification of this phenomenon in this forum and replace the FP7 with an HKB8. The promotional marketing could include a mention that the piano will help you improve your touch by punishing you for your transgressions.

Your comment on the warranty is interesting. In the US Roland warrants the FP7 for only 1 year parts and 90 days labor. If you buy the new V ($6000 USD), you get 3 years parts and one year labor.


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#1223221 - 06/26/09 03:37 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: turandot]  
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I bought it and I'm very happy with it. I played for over an hour without feeling a thing, I don't even notice the HKB problem (I notice a small thud noise when the keys hit the bottom, but it's really nothing compared to my acoustic upright when it's silent).

The feel is great, just needed to do some quick scales to get completely used to it. The piano sound isn't as great as I was expecting (well, I'm comparing to an acoustic), but through headphones it's really nice. I want to applaud the Harpsichord sound, playing Bach with it is really amazing! And you actually hear the hammers leaving the strings when you release the keys!

I have 2 years of warranty (standard in Portugal). I still have the assistance of the store after that (I will have to pay, of course).

The piano cost me 1434€ with stand, a really good price if you consider the price at Thomann (1479€ without the stand). The piano was the one in the showroom, but it's very clean and, well, it came with the stand which alone costs 150€.

Thank you all for your answers!

#1223257 - 06/26/09 05:03 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: AgnorPT]  
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Congratulations!

Now, soak your hands and wrists in epsom salts for two hours and you'll be good to go tomorrow. (Just kidding)

I agree with you about the headphones. Good phones reveal the full body of the Superior Grand sample. The onboard speakers don't.





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#1225118 - 06/30/09 01:29 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: turandot]  
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I bought an FP-7 on the strength of playing an FP-4 as they didn't have an FP-7 in the store. I couldn't live with the hard bottoming keys and sold it.

It didn't make my hands tired or sore, it was just a really horrible feeling and sound each and every time you played every single key.

Others are free to have a different opinion but for me it was a shame as otherwise it was an excellent DP, but I couldn't live with the thumping feeling and sound.


#1225243 - 06/30/09 05:44 PM Re: Roland FP-7 - Key issues? [Re: ger271]  
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Before purchasing my FP4 I had called Roland's tech number to inquire about the "hard bottoming" keys of the FP7. The tech guy did admit that there was a harder bottoming out on the FP7 because of some lack of padding, or whatever he referred to it by, as opposed to some softer padding on the FP4. It's not imaginary but some folks are not bothered by it.


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