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#1224405 - 06/29/09 10:07 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Roxane]  
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Originally Posted by Roxane

On the subject of piano benches, why don't adjustable benches ever come with storage compartments like those flip-top non-adjustable Yamaha benches? They could make a very slim drawer at the base of the bench or something. I have no more space to store new music books! mad

On the other hand, if my adjustable bench looks like the one Digitus has, I think I wouldn't complain about the lack of storage on my bench. Btw, the buttons on my bench collect fluff... exactly like belly-button, er, "fluff"!


Roxane, if you remember my piano bench does have storage. It's that open compartment at the back, a magazine rack kind of thing. But I never use it because having music scores stacked in there spoils the visual aesthetics. Heheh.

Actually why don't you do what I do and get a tall narrow (50cm) bookshelf and put it within reach of the piano bench.

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#1224409 - 06/29/09 10:11 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]  
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Originally Posted by Roxane
On the subject of piano benches, why don't adjustable benches ever come with storage compartments like those flip-top non-adjustable Yamaha benches? They could make a very slim drawer at the base of the bench or something. I have no more space to store new music books! mad

On the other hand, if my adjustable bench looks like the one Digitus has, I think I wouldn't complain about the lack of storage on my bench. Btw, the buttons on my bench collect fluff... exactly like belly-button, er, "fluff"! whome


Collect fluff?

Then you need to buy your first(?) pour-piano portable/handy vacuum cleaner laugh

You mean your chihuahua sit on your piano bench meh? What fluff? Or is it fur?

Digitus got 5 star piano bench from Salty Piano (or is it Salted Piano?). So 5 star bench lor. 7 foot Oh-My-Gah(men) must be eye-popping-ly impressive, even Gah-men do not buy such Salted pianos.

Why didnt Robert give your 5 star piano a 5 star bench ... but hor, I haven't seen adjustable bench with secret compartment leh ...


I had to pay for my piano bench (a Sauter 'Unico'). It costs $$ but I reckoned with a piano that looks like that it would be a shame to not have an equally sexy looking bench. grin

#1224423 - 06/29/09 10:52 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: fj_s]  
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Hello!

Here's my situation - I'm a reasonably advanced pianist who is "re-picking up" the piano after minimal practice for the past 11 years. (Studying overseas, work, etc)

I currently own a 28-year old Yamaha U1 which is still in good shape. The tone's not as even, and the touch isn't as good as it used to be. But it's usable, and was my first piano after all. smile

The problem is that I stay in a small apartment. And let's face it, the standard repertoire isn't always pleasant sounding when practiced repeatedly. Also, I find that my tonal production has gotten considerably worse after practicing for a few months with the muffler pedals.

I have two options:

a. Buy a silent piano. Currently unfortunately only the Yamaha U-1 and Kawai K3/K5 are available in silent. I was hoping to get a better piano than my current one. (Oddly enough, do other people feel like the U-1 has gotten slightly worse? Or is it just because the one at the showroom is less 'seasoned' than the one at home?)

b. Buy a portable keyboard. I don't have space for a digital piano. I tried the P-85, and I have concerns about the touch and tone (not sensitive enough, and too light). But it does cost a lot less. The pro of this is that the savings will eventually go towards say an RX2-AT if I ever get a bigger place. Needless to say, I have piano envy after trying out my friends' grand pianos. (It's much easier to play repeated notes)

Comments on the two options? Are there other silent piano options that I have missed out? Keyboard options? Are there also places that sell used silent pianos? (I would love to have some of the silent pianos in Yamaha's European lineup for example, e.g. SU series silent) Also, Bohemia's website say they will install quiet time on their pianos if asked, but the local dealers don't seem to carry the silent version.



Your option b is a non-starter for someone with your skill level. However if you still want to explore that option then the best DP that I have been able to find is the Roland HP-207. It has the same footprint as an upright so your space constraints are addressed.

As for those darned showroom pianos, I'll bet you its because they are rarely, if ever, prepped nor tuned properly.

#1224797 - 06/29/09 10:22 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: jijiboy]  
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hi jently try this link


hi jijiboy
what price range and brands are you looking for?
new or 2nd hand?


My max budge would be $7000. I saw on the internet that a Young Chang baby grand was selling at only $3000. Wanted to get it, but was sold frown

I am also looking for 2nd hand baby grand.


pls refer to above ^^

also, how much can a 6 years old Young Chang U 131 N go for?


HiHi please help me on the above 2 topics. Thanks!

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#1224818 - 06/29/09 11:02 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Digitus]  
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Thanks for the advice.

To clarify, for the digital keyboard option, I would keep my U1, and have the portable keyboard for practice during weekday nights after work... Roland's a good suggestion - their stage pianos seem to be very well received. Will check out the Roland. smile

Actually there's a good chance I may keep the U1 unless I can find a silent piano that has a significantly better action. smile


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#1225445 - 07/01/09 05:10 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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wah... just now 10pm went to jurong west eat cat mountain king durian and 1 bitter red prawn. CMK is best, $18 for 1 little spiky, but seed is very thin, worth it. I recommand all to try laugh
no need paisay, eat beside hawker centre .. hehe
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Durian? WaaaAAAaaahhhhHHH!!! I like ...

Snoopycar, can PM me? What is CMK?.

Eh ... when the old SAFTI MI library was still around, did read some lah, but now old reservist still have to go back camp. My reservist AGAIN just begun ... sigh ... but nebermind, got durian king to eat ... heheheh ...


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#1225503 - 07/01/09 08:49 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: chihuahua]  
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Hiaz, still cant find my ideal piano. so sad. any recommendation?

Hi snoopy

The one you recommended me, no response leh. have you heard of music clef, are they reliable?

Hope to hear from you guys soon


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#1225513 - 07/01/09 08:56 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]  
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Hi Everyone
Any comment on weinberg? selling at $1000.00 11 years old upright piano/ isit overprice?


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#1225556 - 07/01/09 10:14 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]  
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reporting.... just to share with you all durian lovers. some finds it pungent frown

Today i buay tahan go jb carrefour there to find liulian...
findings result was 1 good 1kg XO RM30 is shiok enough laugh

CMK is cat mountain king lah. but heard it is going off season, durian man recommend XO lor

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#1225561 - 07/01/09 10:22 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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^^^ snoopycar, did you hurt your finger on durian thorn?

Sorry, leh, I hate durians sick

#1225562 - 07/01/09 10:25 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]  
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Originally Posted by jently
Hiaz, still cant find my ideal piano. so sad. any recommendation?

Hi snoopy

The one you recommended me, no response leh. have you heard of music clef, are they reliable?

Hope to hear from you guys soon


is it a weinberg 121 hieght?
$1000 plus delivery n free tuning is reasonable.
Just that i hunch is it may need a little bit of work.
I came across 1 that's over mellow, and some that's too bright. Just need some hammer voicing work.

Yah, sometime i sms sellers from class ads about others item, also no response, maybe sold.
As for a good U1, you can consider mine. can email me?

music clef, don't know leh, sorry haven't been there.


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#1225564 - 07/01/09 10:28 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Digitus]  
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Originally Posted by Digitus
Roxane, if you remember my piano bench does have storage. It's that open compartment at the back, a magazine rack kind of thing. But I never use it because having music scores stacked in there spoils the visual aesthetics. Heheh.

Actually why don't you do what I do and get a tall narrow (50cm) bookshelf and put it within reach of the piano bench.


I didn't realize your piano bench comes with storage – I need to pay more attention next time! But even if you did store music in the open compartment, it would get dusty. I did get a narrow bookcase from Ikea and stuck it in a corner within reach of where I sit at my piano, but it is already full, and another cheap bookshelf would spoil the aesthetics of the room whome

#1225841 - 07/01/09 07:26 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Roxane]  
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Hi Snoopy

I have pm you already


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#1225883 - 07/01/09 08:28 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: jently]  
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Hi,

I'm new to forum, as well as piano.
Well, I have to admit that I did not do enough homework, before buying my very first piano. But that's the catch, people usually joining club after they bought something, isn't it?

I spent only a few days, sourcing around the net, and eventually found a shop selling used piano. I'm getting it because my daughter need to take exam, and the clavinova doesn't seems to meet her requirement. I don't think I have a very good deal, as the piano is very old, but I don't think that's very bad either, since that meet my requirement.

I really wish to get to read this earlier, so at least I have more to consider. But anyway, I always enjoy surfing forum as that allow me to learn many new things from you guys.

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Look at the bright side. I don't think you lose anything, 2500 is quite a good price for some warranty after sales service. better that buying from an unknown seller.

Why i think its ok because of the relativity thinky.
Buy low price, save upfront cash. even if you sell it later, say worst case, $1200, you just loose rental and some delivery, free tuning charges. you have a spare 2500 in the bank.

Imagine you bought a newer piano say 15yrs at $5000 and sell it later, same thing if you sold at $3700.

So relax. you bought old, but piano is in good condition, don't stress. In contrast, you could have bought old, and inside messy moldy .....

smile a bit leh

After a while you won't think so much.

i declare i have no connection with the shop say so much positive words laugh


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#1225952 - 07/01/09 11:09 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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Thanks snoopycar for brighten. smile

When I decided to buy that piano, partly because seeing the condition is good base on my limited knowledge, partly also because I feel the seller is honors. However after knowing the real age of that piano, start to think he is just a businessman.

Anyway, you are right that I won't think about it after a while.

Now my focus is mainly to understand more about piano, build up knowledge, due to interest as well as helps if I need to get a 2nd piano in future.

By the way, are many shops in Singapore selling gray market piano?

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This evaluation is relative to a Yamaha U1. I have played a new-ish Weinberg 6 foot 3 grand before. It's made in Korea I believe. It's a decent piano (very good for its price), nice deep bass. Treble's slightly weak and has a tendency to be overwhelmed, but within control. The touch is very heavy. It strikes me as more European in feel than say like your usual Kawai/Yamaha.

Of course, your mileage may vary given it's an upright, and older.



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#1226091 - 07/02/09 09:03 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: Roxane]  
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Originally Posted by Roxane
^^^ snoopycar, did you hurt your finger on durian thorn?

Sorry, leh, I hate durians sick


hate durian??
i just think you haven't learn how to luv 'em yet laugh
pungent aroma ..... ah... oh .... creamy... bitter sweet...

give it a try, even some ang mo's also enjoy eating the king of fruits .. hehehe

after eating, must drink something cooling like jiajia liang teh ok?


well, no i was poke by the liulian kuck. i was voicing a hammer when the needle broke and the tool head cut my thumb just behind the thumb nail. i was in a shock for a moment(black out for a few sec) i thought i can't play piano anymore frown thank God it wasn't the needle injuring my thumb. its healing now, phew.


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#1227621 - 07/06/09 05:29 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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Hi ppl,

I had been to a few places to check out some used pianos.
Namely, I had my heart captivated by one of the Kawai BS2A.
At first I was skeptic by what could a Kawai piano do as compared to a Yamaha U1/U3 or whatever.
But surprise surprise~ I actually preferred the mellow sound coming from the BS2A over the bright tone from the Yamahas.
And I love the touch too~
A much more solid and heavy feel to the keys.
The calling price for the Kawai BS2A is ard 3.7k
May I know if the price is ok? It's ard 15 yrs old.
I couldn't find much information regarding the piano.
I can only say I like the tone and touch of the piano so far.

I was also shown to a Kawai KU-3D at one of the used piano shops.
The tone is ok. I was coded ard 3.1k for it, along with a new adjustable chair on top of the usual package. I was told the age of the piano is ard 20 years. I went back and did some research on the model. To my horror, I found out that this specific series is made ard the 1970s, which will make the piano near to 40 years old!! Can anyone verify this? So is the shop lying to me about it's age? =(
It's sad because this piano is so near my budget and it sounds decent enough. If the normal lifespan of a normal mass production piano is ard 50 years, it will only have another 10yrs to follow? (Is this rumor true anyway?)

If nothing works out, I am considering to rent a piano at home to practise. Any lobang? =X

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aiyo.... what like dat (>_<)

I know why, because pianos are like girls
also lie about real age ....

There are some shops that tell the truth about the real age of the piano they sell. But newer ones are generally more expensive.

Basically, i think buying piano are like picking durians.
Pay more for XO,D101, cat mountain king, sure good, pow ho one.

At the same time, i, like many others, also go for the 50c $1 durian to tigum tigum, sometime kenna good ones - khor one.


Age of a piano is very contravosy thing.
I believe after 10 yrs, the piano sound begins to bloom, or open up. 15~25yrs are quite decent, if not overly used
If it's kept in a clean enviroment, no reason to rule them out.

Pianos are not like cars, 6~7 yrs ppl scared to buy already, scare spare parts expensive.


hehe, on the lighter side, i think shop dare not tell the real age because they know customers are not ready to accept the truth.

To shop boss, he thinks, 35 yrs old, still good sound, decent condition, can sell to specific student at resonalble pice. At least can last for 20yrs more.

To customer, wah leow aaAAaaa.... 35yrs leow, older than myself, how many yrs more can it last, must be a con job .... hehehe

whos right, whos wrong?






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#1227768 - 07/06/09 01:19 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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hihi snoopycar,

I dunno about the reason why the sales people did that,
but I feel it's just wrong for the sales person to be untruthful about such facts. Afterall, in such cases they ought to provide the correct stats, and it's up for the customers to decide if the deal is good enough for them. =/

To be blunt, it's like they are tearing down their own customers' confidence in them. If they can lie about this, who knows what other stuff they might be hiding? How can anyone trust them with their after services with their piano in the future too?

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh over this....
I just cannot stand dishonesty =(
And I still want my piano~! *sad*

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hi hi

i've been lied before too, told me 2yrs.
after buying, i found more than 5yrs .. frown

tell the truth lah !
some shops even display the age and infomation.
when to cristofori before huh?

best option is always buy new, no doubts, smell fresh, peace of mind. 2nd piano, some ppl scare got spirit inside from old house .. hehehe

2nd piano how to trust seller? by being smarter yourself lor.
print out serial no/ yr table, buy a pierce altas of all piano serial no.

being smart means know what to look for and what to listen for.
if don't know, can always engage someone to help you.

PM me lor, i recommend you some really honest shops.
they even educate you to help yourself laugh




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#1230752 - 07/13/09 03:08 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Pian [Re: snoopycar]  
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Hi all

I'm new here and this is my 1st post.

My 6 year old girl had started learning piano for 6 months and her Yamaha teacher has been advising us to get a real piano for her as her fingers are weak. She's been practising on a keyboard. So for the past few months we have been shopping for piano. Due to tight budget ($4-5k), I'm now considering Hailun H125 but still want to be sure before making the payment. I know little about piano so would appreciate advise.

Bihua, notice that you've the same piano, is there any funny sound from the keys? Any problems that I should take note? Tx

Snoopycar, Digitus and experts, have you all tried playing on this piano? Any comments?

I realised my girl have sharp ears, can differentiate better sound, eg we tried Kawai, she prefered K5 to K3 etc. At one point we almost go for K5 ($9k+) but pulled back. Told her too expensive.

So far we tried many but the ones that impressed us other than Kawai are:

Yamaha U1
Hailun H125
Weber (christofori) ht 131 (selling abt 4K, 3 mth old show room pc)

She likes all 3, no special preference. Hailun touch is heavier than Yamaha. Will it be too heavy for a 6 year old beginner? Between Hailun & Weber, which one should I choose?

We are thinking of stretching for U1 (monthly instalment of $300+ for 24 mths), is it necessary?

Should my girl give up few years down the road, we still have 2 younger kids that may be interested (haha). For Hailun, the most we loose $3.6k, or can trade in at half price within 5 years and get new one. For U1, few years later say we loose half, so abt $4k+. So money term, loose about the same. Am I thinking correctly?

We are not considering 2nd hand as we know nothing about parts, wear & tear, so play safe with new one.

Thanks in advance for any advise.

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All of them sound like good choices. Thinking in terms of depreciation is a right view. Most of the depreciation takes place in the first 3-5 years, to around half of its original value.

My main advice is to get at least a full upright (not a console or spinet), which you are already doing.

Kawai and Yamaha are generally seen to be of a higher tier viz Hailun (China) and Weber (Young Chang). The main reason (to me at least) appears to be more because of the reputation for reliability. (Yamaha build quality is quite legendary. My 30-year old Yamaha U1 is still in excellent shape with minimal fuss, and lasted me to LTCL!)

However you have to pay for this reliability, and whether it's worth it depends on you. Pianos would generally last at least good 5-10 years (more likely 20-30 years or longer), which is why most dealers seem comfortable offering a warranty of that period.

Indeed, most pianos last longer than people's interests. (It's similar to a pet that way.) So do think about how long you intend to keep this piano.

A secondary issue also relates to how well you like the sound. Your child will be practicing (often badly) repetitive or very simple songs repeatedly, and if you find say the treble grating or the bass overpowering, your own enthusiasm (which is important to a young child) will be affected.

Finally, don't worry about how heavy the touch is. You will be surprised how fast the student will get used to it.

Given these considerations, I would personally pick a piano with a sound that you and your child would be enthusiastic about. Pianos last a long time. Practice makes the most difference. Whether it is a Hailun, Weber, Kawai, or Yamaha (and each have their own fans) would depend on your ears and your child's fingers.


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I forgot to add - do make a trip down to Gramercy in Tanjong Katong as well to try the Bohemia and Wilhelm Tell pianos - I like the touch, and find them to be reasonably good value. The sound would be somewhat different from the rest.


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Hi fj_s

thanks for yr advice.

Now you mentioned bass, we'll be placing the new piano in one of the bedroom, not very big room, will overpowering bass be very loud n ear piercing there? Think Hailun has very strong bass.

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Hard to tell. Lots of things affect the tone, including the size of the room, height of the roof, distance from wall, type of flooring, and the number of soft objects in the room, and the ambient noise. Also, many people find the treble more annoying than the bass (particularly in a small room with resonant frequencies.).

If you add enough soft objects (e.g. carpets, tapestries, curtains) and place the piano a little distance from the wall, it should reduce the sound going out of the room, but you may have to experiment. Anyway it's unlikely the bass would be overpowering to people outside the room.


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thanks..this shows that i really don't know piano..ha ha..

have u tried hailun and weber before?

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Hailun yes, Weber no (though the showroom's nearby so I could pop in and try during lunchtime tomorrow.)

I thought the Hailun grand (I think it was the 178) was reasonably good - decent sound and action, particularly at the price. I thought the Kawai RX-2/3 was better, but the price is also much higher.

But I haven't tried the Hailun upright. And to be frank, a grand action is very different from an upright, so take my words with a pinch of salt.


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I think HaiLun125 is great value for money piano !!
Can consider 'cos the tone n touch is quite nice.


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