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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: Rich D.] #1217345
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I know you only want to hear about Cristofori, but for what it's worth ... for that price you can get any of hundreds of used 52" Yamaha U3's (or nearly as nice 48" U1's, or Kawais). They're always on craigslist, and at dealers. It would take a little looking to get a flawless one if that's what you want, and you'd want to have a technician look at it. But there's no question that's what I would do anyway.

Remember that that Cristofori also will immediately lose half its value, but a used Yamaha can often be sold virtually at the same price you bought it for in a few years.

You could also get one of Yamaha's brand new low-end brands for that price. Cable Nelson is one. I don't know where Larry Fine places them, but it's likely above 4C.

But I haven't seen a Cristofori. If it has a good feel and sound to you then I agree that it's fine. I wonder if their soundboards are laminated or solid(?). Cable Nelson is laminated and they do not sound as nice as a regular Yamaha IMHO.

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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: charleslang] #1217355
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Good question -- I actually asked that question, and was told that the soundboard is NOT laminated. The website says the soundboard is "All Siberian Spruce". Specifications from their website (http://cristoforipianos.com/crv470p.html):

"TONE: All Siberian Spruce Soundboard for Superior Tone Quality ~ Soundboard Cut-Offs in Bass and Treble for Clearer Sound ~ Mapes (USA) International Gold Series Strings for Singing Tone ~ Custom Designed, Double-felted, Reinforced Hammers Made of Highest Quality Japanese Felt ~ Ribs Notched into Liner for Soundboard Crown Retention"

"TOUCH: Your Choice for Touch: German Hornbeam Action Parts for Superior Tensile Strength, Precision and Durability ~ Extruded Aluminum Action Rail and Five Action Hangers for Stability"

"QUALITY: Your Choice for Quality: Spruce Backposts and Laminated Maple Keybed for Structural Rigidity ~ Quarter-sawn, Hard Rock Maple Pinblock for Superior Gripping Power ~ Japanese and Korean Machinery for Precision Manufacturing"

Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: whenhasthisgone222] #1217360
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I actually read that on their site too, but I find it strange that they would not mention it's solid, if it is in fact solid. Those texts go through drafts by people who know about pianos, and solid spruce is usually mentioned if it's there. As for the salespeople, I have without a doubt heard direct and unabashed lies from piano salespeople, so I don't trust them -- nothing against the store you're talking about, or piano salespeople in general. (I know great piano salespeople and hope to buy from them someday.) And of course yours might be telling the truth.


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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: charleslang] #1217361
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another link with the specifications (detailed) shows the sound board is solid for the CRV480P. the specs are at:

http://cristoforipianos.com/pdf/cristofori_verticals.pdf

Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: charleslang] #1217362
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According to Larry Fine's 2008-2009 supplement:
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In mid 2007, Cristofori began sourcing its acoustic pianos from Pearl River...The Cristofori pianos are differentiated from Pearl River's regular pianos by upgraded feature specifications such as the use of Mapes' highest quality strings from the U.S., premium solid Siberian spruce soundboards in hte larger grands and taller verticals (instead of laminated soundboards), a different selection of cabinetry, and an upgraded warranty. U.S. technicians in the factory inspect every Cristofori piano prior to crating and shipping.


Also according to the supplement the list price for this model is $5798.



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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: rysowers] #1217389
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Was Rich D quoting a pre 2008-2009 Fine evaluation? Did Fine's evaluation get better after the change? 2007 is pretty recent; I'd also want to make 100 percent sure that particular piano is not one that has been sitting around on the floor from before the 2007 change. Every Pearl River I have played has not been great but there is obviously extra attention and materials given to the Cristoforis.


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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: Rich D.] #1217396
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I have had bad experience with the grand the soundboard cracked after a year the keybed warped the keys themselves warped sideways it wouldn't stay regulated or in tune the DEALER exchanged for another brand!

Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: msks] #1217432
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They were built by Sejung before they were built by Pearl River. Maybe the Sejung pianos had more problems?


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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: whenhasthisgone222] #1217484
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Yesterday when I posted I didn't realize that the two keys that weren't playing because of a pencil that had fallen onto the action. However, as I mentioned, I have still had several sticky keys and most disturbing, a broken string. I'm not sure how often the strings break, but the technician did mention that at about the same time, another customer had a similar problem. He explained that with more expensive pianos, new strings also break, but it is generally at the factory when the piano is being prepared. So I'd still be careful about the Cristofori.

On the other hand, the service I've had from Jordan Kitts has been excellent, so all the problems have been resolved fairly quickly. And I do like the tone and touch of the piano.

I cancelled the 48" Cristofori for $3780 NEW [Re: mompt1] #1217643
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thanks all -- I cancelled today. not enough positive things about cristofori.

thanks for all the advice -- much appreciated!

-kathy

Re: I cancelled the 48" Cristofori for $3780 NEW [Re: whenhasthisgone222] #1217661
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I'm sorry it didn't work out for you this time, Kathy. While you're reconsidering, this might be a good time to get the books and read up, if you haven't already. Fine's The Piano Book and the 2009 Supplement will put you in a much stronger position as a piano shopper, especially combining the sections on negotiating and the information about the "real price." (It is ageing somewhat; a new edition is coming out in September, but a lot of the information will be fresh and green for most of the next century.) And you've already talked with Marty; you might like his book, Piano Buying for the Complete Idiot.

If you want to take advantage of the experience of the forum members, it could help to know a bit more about what you're looking for in a piano, what size, general price range, what purpose you intend to use it for, and an idea of what part of the world you live in.

Three weeks is not really very long to look for a piano, though it gives a sign that it's important to you--- but we figured that part out.

You're shopping at a time when it's possible to make a very good deal, and to find a very good instrument. Once again, best of luck to you.


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Re: SHOULD I CANCEL? 48" Cristofori for $4320 NEW [Re: whenhasthisgone222] #1217838
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Maybe you could ask for another extra Tuning & check up to be included with the purchase of this New Piano or any Piano you like!

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