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Double Talk #1216912
06/13/09 04:45 PM
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venting -
I'm waiting for a student whose parents have told her she is going to be a concert musician when she grows up, like it or not.
they are 15 minutes late, as usual.

hmm...don't see that career on the horizon.

do we all get double talk?


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Re: Double Talk [Re: MrsCamels] #1216929
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Like it or not huh?
"15 minutes late as usual"

Ummm, yeah, not seeing that on the horizon either wink


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Re: Double Talk [Re: MrsCamels] #1217078
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Originally Posted by MrsCamels
venting -
I'm waiting for a student whose parents have told her she is going to be a concert musician when she grows up, like it or not.
they are 15 minutes late, as usual.

hmm...don't see that career on the horizon.

do we all get double talk?


do you make up the 15 minutes by going long or does the kid get a shorter lesson?


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Barb860] #1217124
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Barb, this needs to be spelled out in your Studio Policy. As a courtesy to other students and families (who are waiting), all lessons will end at the scheduled time. If you are firm about this, most families will get it.

Unfortunately, I do have one student this year whose mom cannot tell time, and arrives as much as a half hour early to a half hour late. She is very apologetic, etc., but the lesson does end on time regardless.


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Re: Double Talk [Re: John v.d.Brook] #1217154
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Oh most definitely! I made the mistake of having a timer at the piano in the beginning. I would set it for 30 minutes.

Now I go by the chimes on the clock. When it chimes, the lesson is done, even if they just got there. If the lesson was 2 - 2:30, that's what they get.


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Mrs. Camels,
I think both messages the parent gave the child are consistent. Both messages disrespect others. The first disrespects the child and the tardiness disrespects both the teacher and the child.

Re: Double Talk [Re: MrsCamels] #1217365
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Originally Posted by MrsCamels
venting -
I'm waiting for a student whose parents have told her she is going to be a concert musician when she grows up, like it or not.
they are 15 minutes late, as usual.

hmm...don't see that career on the horizon.

do we all get double talk?

This is beyond double-talk. It is a total disconnect from reality. And it sounds like the parents are control freaks too.

I'd say it is more likely that therapy is in the student's future than a concert stage…


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Re: Double Talk [Re: John v.d.Brook] #1217391
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Originally Posted by John v.d.Brook
Barb, this needs to be spelled out in your Studio Policy. As a courtesy to other students and families (who are waiting), all lessons will end at the scheduled time. If you are firm about this, most families will get it.

Unfortunately, I do have one student this year whose mom cannot tell time, and arrives as much as a half hour early to a half hour late. She is very apologetic, etc., but the lesson does end on time regardless.


I do have this in my studio policy (after being way to flexible way too often!). I had just wondered what the OP had done, whether or not she made up the 15 minutes.


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Barb860] #1217466
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Good for you. I must have been reading your post in a peculiar mood, because at the time, I came away with the impression you were asking which one is the better policy. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

John


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Re: Double Talk [Re: John v.d.Brook] #1217471
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At the school where I work kids are very often late for their lesson. Usually I end up having to go look for them which eats into the lesson time. Even so I will always finish the lesson when it is due to finish because if not it's not fair on those who follow. Recently I got pulled up by the principal for doing this because a kid had complained to his parents that I was cutting his lesson short. Another teacher at the school always gives a full lesson regardless. This means throughout the day there are kids having to wait outside in the corridor for lessons which should have started already. At the end of the day she is always behind by at least a half hour. I am sticking to my guns because I believe I am right in doing what I do but unfortunately others don't see it that way!


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Re: Double Talk [Re: John v.d.Brook] #1217472
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Re: Double Talk [Re: Chris H.] #1217491
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Originally Posted by Chris H.
I am sticking to my guns because I believe I am right in doing what I do but unfortunately others don't see it that way!


You are absolutely right!!

I think lots of us see it that way. It's just those d### administrators that feel like the parents are always right.Urgh and there is nothing we can do about that either. Except fight the good fight until we tire out.

Good for you, for teaching the kids more than just piano smile


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Chris H.] #1217494
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Tell your principal that you'd be happy to give the full lesson time, just as long as he covers the overtime pay.

laugh

Originally Posted by Chris H.
At the school where I work kids are very often late for their lesson. Usually I end up having to go look for them which eats into the lesson time. Even so I will always finish the lesson when it is due to finish because if not it's not fair on those who follow. Recently I got pulled up by the principal for doing this because a kid had complained to his parents that I was cutting his lesson short. Another teacher at the school always gives a full lesson regardless. This means throughout the day there are kids having to wait outside in the corridor for lessons which should have started already. At the end of the day she is always behind by at least a half hour. I am sticking to my guns because I believe I am right in doing what I do but unfortunately others don't see it that way!


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Kreisler] #1217521
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Originally Posted by Kreisler
Tell your principal that you'd be happy to give the full lesson time, just as long as he covers the overtime pay.

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Haha! One thing that administrators like more than pleasing the parents, is saving money.


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Morodiene] #1217544
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I wouldn't mind if he were the one paying me. Parents pay directly and then complain to him if something is up.

Back to double talk.

My favourite is.....

I want you to push my child more because I don't feel they are making enough progress.

and then......

Don't be too hard on them for not having practised this week because they have been very busy with homework etc.

confused


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Re: Double Talk [Re: Chris H.] #1217668
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Seems you have been more than patient. Just restate what is in your studio policy and say I have not been enforcing this but will now have to enforce it. I have been trying to work with you but it has become too difficult for both my schedule and my other students who need to start on time.

Re: Double Talk [Re: Roxy] #1217677
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The more I read these kinds of stories, the more I'm glad I teach online.


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Re: Double Talk [Re: eweiss] #1217693
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Here's more Double Talk!

One mom shows up with her daugher, 25 minutes late because the mom found a jewelry sale where everything was 50 cents! So she just "couldn't" leave the sale. So I, for whatever reason, gave her a make-up lesson cause the recital is coming up! Then she doesn't show up to the make-up lesson. She later calls to apologize and asks for another make-up lesson. So, I gave her another one. Then she doesn't show for that one either! She calls again and said the whole family was sick, including her husband, and she was so tired, she forgot. Then she asks for another make-up lesson! Ah, let me think . . . NO! (I said it kindly)!

Then she calls me again, and this mom knows I don't teach over the summer, but she asks me if I would make an exception and teach her daughter over the summer!!!!!

I have the perfect piano teacher, and it ain't me!

Thank God for "Waiting Lists"!

EDIT: Changed daughter's to daughter

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Re: Double Talk [Re: Diane...] #1217702
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Diane,

You have the patience of a saint. Seriously, I don't know how you put up with oblivious people like that.


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Originally Posted by Chris H.
I am sticking to my guns because I believe I am right in doing what I do but unfortunately others don't see it that way!

I agree with you. It is horribly unfair to all the other people who are on time to go over, and you can never get back on schedule that way.


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