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#1213290 - 06/07/09 12:24 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Kreisler]  
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maybe next time, they would find a better orchestra? it's pretty unfair for all those finalists who have to play 2 concerti with only 1-2 hour rehearsal time. another option is to play only 1 concerto in the final instead of 2.

Cleveland competition has a world class orchestra, which never had such problems.

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#1213319 - 06/07/09 01:31 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: signa]  
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The Cliburn Competition will always be in Texas.

#1213325 - 06/07/09 01:37 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]  
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I think the best solution, if you want perfect orchestral parts, is to have more than one orchestra. Why not have the Dallas Symphony do the matinee session and the FWSO do the evening session?


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The main difficulty is lack of rehearsal and that won't solve the problem. Also, I think out of fairness all competitors should play with the same orchestra and conductor.

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#1213347 - 06/07/09 02:41 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Very true, but no amount of rehearsal will help if the orchestra is simply tiring out after all the performances asked of them. No reason to change conductors, either. Orchestras work under guest conductors all the time. So to amend my proposal:

1) Have two orchestras, but with the same conductor

2) Increase rehearsal time, maybe by allowing each performer at least two rehearsals with each orchestra. This is one of the premier competitions, after all, why not spend more time on getting everything right?

OTOH, someone pointed out that the current setup is a good test of a performer's ability to cope with a less-than-ideal orchestra and perhaps a conductor who has his own ideas, and is a stubborn collaborator. Like any decision, there's pros and cons.

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if we have 2 orchestras, then each finalist will play 1 concerto with one and the other concerto with the other. so, it will still be fair.

i really think one orchestra for 12 concerto performances is too much, whether the players are good or not.

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Tsujii's recital selection should cement him as audience favorite:

LvB Op. 57 Appasionata
Chopin Op. 57 Berceuse
Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody #2


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#1213350 - 06/07/09 02:48 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: jon-nyc]  
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I'm lovin' it already. cool

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Wow, the Cliburn has gotten so mediocre.. Their orchestra is simply asinine. So unprofessional, they aren't even together with THEMSELVES, let alone with the soloist - terrible! I am speechless!

Not really crazy about any of the contestants either. I hope Nobu wins though - he's actually inspiring. Oh yeah, and now I'm ashamed I'm Bulgarian thanks to that FREAK.



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#1213353 - 06/07/09 02:51 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: jon-nyc]  
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so far, a very typical Appasionata and clean.

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Maybe he'll play the 3rd movement like Gould.


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#1213358 - 06/07/09 02:55 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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be proud of your country man and what he has done so far in the competition! i know my teacher would be too, in spite of B's mistakes. there're more people talking about him than about anyone else in the Cliburn.

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Originally Posted by signa
if we have 2 orchestras, then each finalist will play 1 concerto with one and the other concerto with the other. so, it will still be fair.

i really think one orchestra for 12 concerto performances is too much, whether the players are good or not.


Two orchestras might help fatigue but the main problem is lack of rehearsal time, and I don't think this would help. More importantly, I'm sure the Cliburn has given all these possibilities literally thousands of hours of thought over the past 40 years.

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i don't like this Liszt that much. feel something is not quite there.

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His performance was fine, but somewhat lackluster.


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#1213369 - 06/07/09 03:17 PM Re: 2009 Van Cliburn Competition Megathread [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Tsukii recital...

Beethoven Appasionata - fairly typical interpretation, very cleanly executed.

Chopin Berceuse - quite beautifully rendered... imageries of sappy anime scenes kept popping into my head as I listened.

Liszt HR-2 - seems a bit rushed in the opening, was hoping for more cheesy sort of interpretation, more dramatic changes of tempi... but he seem to be getting better as the music enters the more Tom & Jerry bit... oy, then he got bit sloppy as speed picked up. OK, the piece ended. Still think it could have used more bravado, more drama.

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yeah, note wise very good. but something is missing.

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Originally Posted by signa
i don't like this Liszt that much. feel something is not quite there.


It was all right. Not spectacular, but all right. Don't forget this is one of the most difficult pieces in the repertoire! grin

People who know Richard Kastle will get this joke. *cough*


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Originally Posted by signa
yeah, note wise very good. but something is missing.


What's missing is that since he cannot see the keys, he has to feel for them, and that sort of precludes much bravura display.


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Now that the recitals are done, Bozhanov still leads the pack in my view. smile


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Originally Posted by jon-nyc
Now that the recitals are done, Bozhanov still leads the pack in my view. smile



Really? Based on just the recitals? Because his concerto last night struck me as pretty immature (maybe excluding the 2nd movement).c

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Yeah, my view is

1 Bozhanov,
2 Vocatello,
3 Wu

And I'm not basing that just on the recitals, I just was noting that all the recitals are now done.

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Originally Posted by Horowitzian
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i don't like this Liszt that much. feel something is not quite there.


It was all right. Not spectacular, but all right. Don't forget this is one of the most difficult pieces in the repertoire! grin

People who know Richard Kastle will get this joke. *cough*


grin

Unfortunately I'll have to wait for the link. A storm just passed through and knocked out my computer for his recital. But remember, it was the just the last run that was the most difficult piano part. smile

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i don't like this Liszt that much. feel something is not quite there.


It was all right. Not spectacular, but all right. Don't forget this is one of the most difficult pieces in the repertoire! grin

People who know Richard Kastle will get this joke. *cough*


grin

Unfortunately I'll have to wait for the link. A storm just passed through and knocked out my computer for his recital. But remember, it was the just the last run that was the most difficult piano part. smile


Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. grin


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i heard that the final ranking will include the previous 2 rounds. so, does anyone know how they score each finalist after all is done?

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Zhang is impressive. Can't believe he's only 19.


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Is anyone else noticing a lot of noise in the live feed?


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Zhang's Prok 2...

It's a damned good performance. I've got nothing to criticize.
No lack of excitement at all

Just feel it a bit unfair that he had to come after Vacatello's Prok 3.

I think I would have written more glowingly about Zhang's Prok 2 had I not listened to Vacatello's Prok 3 first.

EDIT to add: OK, there's something that Zhang's Prok 2 did better than Vacatello's Prok 3 - Zhang's Prok 2 sync'ed better with the orchestra. Yay!

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someone seems saying that he's always note perfect. he does have great techniques and high precision, which is his advantage.

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Is anyone else noticing a lot of noise in the live feed?

Zhang is a hummer, รก la Gould.

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