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Technique Problems (Stiff Wrists!) #1200116
05/15/09 08:25 PM
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A while back I posted about some issues I was having with my wrist becoming stiff when I practiced thus making it harder for me to play; as well someone suggested I put up a video of me playing. Well, it seems a new issue regarding this same subject has appeared with a new piece I'm practicing and I therefore decided to heed this person's advice.
The piece I'm practicing is Haydn's Sonata #48 in C Major Hob. 35 (Allegro con brio). My wrist grows stiff especially in the left hand when the arpeggio triplets come up; so, I decided to position the camera in such a way that would focus my left arm; if you have any tips or recommendations for playing those troubling parts (especially from what you can see with how I'm playing it as opposed to how I should be playing it) I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, this piece has quite a few appogiaturas and trills which my teacher instructed me to exclude from the piece for now, so they are not in the video. Please make note that I'm quite new to this piece, so errors are found in every measure, be that dynamics, notes, or technique and my camera was low on battery so the video stops abruptly after about four minutes (in an attempt to counteract this I added a subtle fade out).
Because of all this, I decided to post a link of a good version of this song: Haydn Piano Sonata in C Major (Good Version)

Without further ado, my playing of the piece:
Haydn Sonata

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Re: Technique Problems (Stiff Wrists!) [Re: anonymousanony] #1200135
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Originally Posted by anonymousanony
A while back I posted about some issues I was having with my wrist becoming stiff when I practiced thus making it harder for me to play; as well someone suggested I put up a video of me playing. Well, it seems a new issue regarding this same subject has appeared with a new piece I'm practicing and I therefore decided to heed this person's advice.


A couple of things that might be aggravating, if I'm not being fooled by the view. First, the majority of this piece has the left hand playing broken chords at middle C, yet your body looks to be centered on middle C. Most of the piece, so far, has your left hand cocked at an angle because of this. I would scoot to the right a little bit.

Second, your right arm is moving vertically a little much as if you are pushing your wrist up with your fingers. The dynamics of this piece don't really require this amount of exertion. Here, I would slow down, relax and let the fingers do the work.

Hope that helps.

Re: Technique Problems (Stiff Wrists!) [Re: Damon] #1200225
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Ha, ha, ha. Being a lazy reader I clicked on the first link. I'm thinking - well looks damn good to me, there's plenty could be done but needs 1-to-1. Then I re-read! Sorry, I laughing at myself. Can you see how free the wrists are in the 'good version'? How she goes up with them for short chords? Watch these see if they help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VobHFcYoyiA&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gZNqc7h70&feature=channel_page
And then decide - do you want to use your wrists? your elbow? your fingers? I'm not sure you know.


snobbyish, yet maybe helpful.
http://keyboardclass.blogspot.com/

Re: Technique Problems (Stiff Wrists!) [Re: anonymousanony] #1200791
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Overall, your left hand sounds pretty good, and it doesn't look really bad. Thie is the triplet tremolo that Haydn developed, and is a special challenge, especially for older learners.

You might want to try dropping the left wrist a bit. Do you notice how it looks a bit higher than the other? To compensate for the loss of stature, imagine that the weight of the arm is moving down into the fingers directly, REGARDLESS of the wrist position.

The second thing to try is more rotary motion. I don't detect any, which is probably your main problem. Practice rocking the hand slowly as you play the triplet pattern. I should rock towards the left at least 15 degrees when you play the little finger. The rocking is controlled from the radius (Think elbow, if you like.), so practice off the keys first. Then imagine the fingers are locked into their up position so that your arm pressure shifts from one finger to the other as they trigger slowly. Practice this super slow, allowing each finger to take advantage of the new help it is getting from the rotation.

The third technique is less difficult to learn and is clearly being used by the pianist in the (good) video. She is vibrating her wrist up and down a very small amount on every quarter beat in order to allow the wrist to breath. You can try doing this on each beat, or every two beats, but this important relaxation technique will only work if you relax and lower the posture of your left wrist a bit first.


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