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#1194563 - 05/06/09 02:38 PM Rachmaninoff rare photos  
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Good evening!

Hi from Saint-Petersburg, Russia!

Hope to find here friends, that know much about Rachmaninoff and love to collect photos and interesting information about his recitals and biography facts, everything about his music.

I try to find all the rare photos of Rachmaninoff.
I also try searching for rare old records on youtube of the pianists and conductors that were his friends

My choice on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MarianneAlkonost&view=favorites

Hope you will like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6-gT-dt18

This is the most complete video of Rachmaninoff and contains his voice also... Please pass this link forward!

As for the photos, here is my collection:

www.rachmaninow.narod.ru

If you have comment on any photo, please post!

And here is my first question - do you have the list of conductors that conducted while Rachmaninoff was playing?

Here is my list:

1) Bruno Walter (photo on the stage together)
2) Henry Wood (photo on the stage together)
3) Willem Mengelberg (photo on the stage together)
4) Mitropulos
5) Gustav Mahler
6) Ormandy (photo on the stage together)
7) Stokowski
8 ) Josef Stransky (1872-1936)
9) Ernest Ansermet(1883–1969)
10) George Hoberg (1872–1950)

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#1194588 - 05/06/09 03:24 PM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: MarianneAlkonost]  
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Welcome to Pianoworld forums! Hope you enjoy the stay.

Rachmaninoff is my favorite composer without a shadow of a doubt. Thanks for your photo collection!


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Welcome!

I have been rather obsessed with Rach's music this past year, learning several.

I loved seeing the video of him. Thank you so much for sharing.

Now...can anyone list the music? (Vocalise at the end)

Just checked out your collection of photos as well.

Great!

Are you a pianist as well?



"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and life to everything."
#1194682 - 05/06/09 06:10 PM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: lilylady]  
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That was wonderful! Thank you for sharing the photos. I was looking at Rachmaninoff's hands - they were huge! Makes me jealous.


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Originally Posted by gooddog
That was wonderful! Thank you for sharing the photos. I was looking at Rachmaninoff's hands - they were huge! Makes me jealous.


Yes they were! Here's a fan that made his own life-size reproduction of Rach's hands:

http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/...d-some-big-hands-30726-1237324696-15.jpg

#1194711 - 05/06/09 07:35 PM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: BJones]  
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Thanks for sharing, and welcome to the forums Marianne! Rachmaninoff is easily tied with Chopin as my favorite composer. cool

Originally Posted by BJones
Originally Posted by gooddog
That was wonderful! Thank you for sharing the photos. I was looking at Rachmaninoff's hands - they were huge! Makes me jealous.


Yes they were! Here's a fan that made his own life-size reproduction of Rach's hands:

http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/...d-some-big-hands-30726-1237324696-15.jpg


Not quite that big. grin

I see you purloined Frank's avatar.


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Originally Posted by Horowitzian
Thanks for sharing, and welcome to the forums Marianne! Rachmaninoff is easily tied with Chopin as my favorite composer. cool

Originally Posted by BJones
Originally Posted by gooddog
That was wonderful! Thank you for sharing the photos. I was looking at Rachmaninoff's hands - they were huge! Makes me jealous.


Yes they were! Here's a fan that made his own life-size reproduction of Rach's hands:

http://s-ec-sm.buzzfeed.com/static/...d-some-big-hands-30726-1237324696-15.jpg


Not quite that big. grin

I see you purloined Frank's avatar.


I think we should all use that avatar for this week only, to honor the best piano forum on the net!! smile

#1194777 - 05/06/09 09:53 PM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: Horowitzian]  
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Originally Posted by Horowitzian
Thanks for sharing, and welcome to the forums Marianne! Rachmaninoff is easily tied with Chopin as my favorite composer. cool


Most don't realize that there's an action figure currently available from CollectionDX of Rachmaninoff, big hands and all, from their famous pianist series:

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/429199-3/27.jpg

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#1194814 - 05/06/09 11:17 PM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: BJones]  
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Welcome, Marianne.

Thanks for your links, photos, videos.

What biography would you recommend reading on Rachmaninoff?


best wishes,
Valerie


#1194841 - 05/07/09 12:41 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: BJones]  
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Originally Posted by BJones
[...]I think we should all use that avatar for this week only, to honor the best piano forum on the net!! smile


On the contrary, I think that that avatar should be Frank's and Frank's alone.

Regards,


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#1194848 - 05/07/09 01:14 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: BruceD]  
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by BJones
[...]I think we should all use that avatar for this week only, to honor the best piano forum on the net!! smile


On the contrary, I think that that avatar should be Frank's and Frank's alone.

Regards,


I do too but when Thurman Munson flew his plane nose-first right into the tarmac, all of his teammates wore a black armband with number 20 on it, not forever, but just for the remainder of the season, which was only about another month.
It would be a temporary tribute to show our appreciation and to raise awareness of Frank's efforts and this great Forum as well as showing our support for all his efforts! smile

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Thanks very much, MarianneAlkonost.

There are a lot of pics and a few videos of Rachmaninoff at http://www.senar.ru/

For those like me who can't read Russian, click on Фотографии for the pics and Видео for the videos.


Mel

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#1194885 - 05/07/09 05:39 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: dannylux]  
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Originally Posted by dannylux
Фотографии and Видео ...




Looks like the names on my Russian sustenon and Polish Dianabol! wink

#1194890 - 05/07/09 05:58 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: BJones]  
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Thanks dannylux

I love this one (wonder if it will show up here) of him young and posed at the piano

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#1194899 - 05/07/09 06:44 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: Tenuto]  
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Originally Posted by Tenuto

What biography would you recommend reading on Rachmaninoff?


The most authoritative is that by Barry Martin. It is excellently researched and provides a balanced, well-written survey.

For an honest biography, written not long after Rachmaninoff's death, try that by Victor Seroff. Seroff knew Rachmaninoff and his portrait is a personal and revealing one. I don't think it is in print anymore.

Geoffrey Norris, a leading Rachmaninoff scholar, has written an excellent biography in the Master Musician series.

I would approach Oskar von Rieseman's "Rachmaninoff's Recollections as told to..." with caution. There is some debate as to how accurate these supposed memoirs are. Rachmaninoff is reputed to have remarked that much of it was pure invention on Rieseman's part.

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You might enjoy 'Sergei Rachmaninoff, a lifetime in music', by Bertensson & Leyda. I prefer it to 'Rachmaninoff' by Scott.

I haven't read Barry Martin's book, but I will when I get the chance.

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Great post! I loved seeing those pictures.

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Originally Posted by dannylux
Thanks very much, MarianneAlkonost.

There are a lot of pics and a few videos of Rachmaninoff at http://www.senar.ru/

For those like me who can't read Russian, click on Фотографии for the pics and Видео for the videos.


Mel


Here is the page in Google's translation. smile


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MarrianneAlkonost-Thank you for posting and alerting me to these photos and especially the video. Rachmaninoff is my favorite composer, I play his music everyday. I plan to learn every piece he ever wrote for solo piano. I'm probably half way there. I was fortunate to attend the Rachmaninoff Society meeting in New York City Sept 07. We had heard of the videos but could not find out where they were. I met one branch of the Rachmaninoff family, first his great grandson and his brother and then their mother (R's grand daughter) and father. This family owns R's Steinway. Its keys are worn down from all the practice I was told. At the dinner attended by Vladimir Ashkenazy who I was able to speak to alone for a few minutes I also met Ruth Slynchenska who as a child replaced Rachmaninoff in a concert he had cancelled. She then studied with Rachmaninoff for a few weeks. She told me about her conversations with Rachmaninoff. I took a piano lesson from her, so now I am a student of a student of Rachmaninoff.....As for the best book about Rachmaninoff I suggest Rachmaninoff's Recollections as told to Oskar von Riesemann, The MacMillan Company 1934 although I don't know where you can find a copy. I found mine on e bay. It's full of treasures such as Rachmaninoff telling in his own words such things as the support received from Tchaikovsky who was clearly quite fond of R. and a debate he had in Paris over lunch with Alexander Scriabin and Rimsky-Korsakov.

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"As for the best book about Rachmaninoff I suggest Rachmaninoff's Recollections as told to Oskar von Riesemann, The MacMillan Company 1934 although I don't know where you can find a copy. I found mine on e bay. It's full of treasures such as Rachmaninoff telling in his own words such things as the support received from Tchaikovsky who was clearly quite fond of R. and a debate he had in Paris over lunch with Alexander Scriabin and Rimsky-Korsakov."

Oooh...

now I found my source for the book! LOL! (pretty please?)

LJ, did you check out the English translations that Horowitzian posted? Some quotes from letters in there. I just glanced at a few and will probably wait for the next snow day to pour over them.

The internet is great for stuff like this!


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Originally Posted by lilylady
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The internet is great for stuff like this!


Indeed it is! The site also has Rachmaninoff's recordings. I'm enjoying the Op. 23-5 Prelude right now. cool


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Originally Posted by Horowitzian
Originally Posted by lilylady
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The internet is great for stuff like this!


Indeed it is! The site also has Rachmaninoff's recordings. I'm enjoying the Op. 23-5 Prelude right now. cool


One thing I don't understand is why the majority of musicians pose with their hands under, or on their face, like this?:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3MGxj9PBO68/R45SkLZ5fNI/AAAAAAAAAFE/6k3_fJhAidM/s320/rachmaninoff-bw.gif

http://www.emilgilels.com/photothek/Horovitz%201955.jpg

http://www.classicalarchives.com/images/cpic/pic200/drz000/z037/z037400mm52.jpg

http://www.haverford.edu/musc/liszt.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ra6GzhOtg88/SSHCqv-NfsI/AAAAAAAARcY/2ZrOOR78XdU/s400/fag.jpg

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laugh Well, don't they all look pensive?

Haha, except for the last one :P

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Originally Posted by eggsdeee
laugh Well, don't they all look pensive?

Haha, except for the last one :P


I would much prefer that Rach strike a manly pose like he did in this action figure of him, big hands and all, lumbering manacingly towards the piano:

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#1196019 - 05/09/09 04:27 AM Re: Rachmaninoff rare photos [Re: landorrano]  
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Thank you so much for such a warm welcome! I am very gratefull for all you warm words, friends!

lilylady, you are welcome! I studied piano playing only for 7 years, so I am an amateur)
What Rachmaninoff pieces do you play? I think his music makes us love the world and it has incredible faith and strenght

Thanks for the links on Senar site. Of course I know this site and I am proud that in the Photos section there are few dozens of photos only because I told the webdesigners where to take them ;-)

LJC, what a luck to speak with you! I look forward to read more from you, may be it is better to make separate theme! Tell us more about Ruth Slenczynska! How many lessons did you have? What did she say about Rachmaninoff, his music? You are such a lucky man! Do you have her book Forbidden Childhood (N.Y., 1957)? I wish I could read this book and read what she writes there of Rachmaninoff and his music...

I've seen her portrait:
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Philharmonic conductor Fritz Berens (L) standing with guest soloist pianist Ruth Slenczynska after performing.

And this debate about colours in music - it's one of my favourite)

Tenuto, as for biography, I like Oskar Risemann's recollection the best. Though of course I collect all the books about him, and later will make more detailed review.
As long as I know we mustn't believe when they say that Rachmaninoff didn't like the book - he didn't like the first edition but rewrote it and even payed for the second edition.

His childhood and early music impressions was greatly influenced by visiting churches in Novgorod and Saint-Petersburg with his grandmother, listening to choirs, bells and sermons...
His teacher of piano - Zverev - was a genious of pedagogy, and taught him how to live - how to work everyday and be serious...
He met great composers and they were his teachers and friends - Tchaikovsky, Rimskiy-Korsakov, Taneev, Arensky, Glazunov. He had great relative and friend who made whatever he could to help him to become a great composer and musician - pianist Alexander Ziloti (the student of Liszt)
He was under great influence of Tchaikovsky music.
He had great love that didn't end in marriage. He married his relative, and had perfect marriage. He worked all his life long, every single day.

And all the same I think we can never understand what kind of people they all were. They respected other people greatly, they knew how to work, work, work and had great faith...

As for the rare photos, please check this topic also:

http://rachmaninoff.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=381

Have you seen any rare photos of Rachmaninoff? If yes, please post!

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Originally Posted by MarianneAlkonost
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Philharmonic conductor Fritz Berens (L) standing with guest soloist pianist Ruth Slenczynska after performing.



Fritz's profile looks just like Horowitz's! smile

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Originally Posted by MarianneAlkonost
Tenuto, as for biography, I like Oskar Risemann's recollection the best. Though of course I collect all the books about him, and later will make more detailed review.
As long as I know we mustn't believe when they say that Rachmaninoff didn't like the book - he didn't like the first edition but rewrote it and even payed for the second edition.


If I remember correctly (I'm in the middle of moving house so don't have the book to hand), Rachmaninoff wrote to Medtner to say that he was disappointed with Oskar Riesemann's book because he appeared to have embellished or invented most of it. Rachmaninoff's views as expressed in this private letter surely carry much more weight than the less-than-ringing endorsement found in the letter signed by Rachmaninoff and addressed to Riesemann. I strongly suspect this was nothing more than a letter written in response to a request from Riesemann himself. Why else is a copy of the latter letter found at the beginning of every printed copy of the book?

So whilst Barry Martin has suggested that this letter suggests that Rachmaninoff cannot have thought the book so bad, I remain cynical. But quite apart from its dubious content (for example, it contains a host of factual errors and inaccuracies), the book is rambling poorly structured -- it is not the place to start learning more about Rachmaninoff's life and music.

I would also point out that Rachmaninoff did not "re-write" the first edition, nor did he himself pay for the second edition. I think this was Riesemann who re-wrote it (Rachmaninoff had nothing to do with that process) and self-published it.

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Timbo77--The reason I like this book so much is that there is no doubt that much of it qoutes R. directly. Reading R.'s words has given me a sense for the man that cannot be gained any other way. So maybe there are errors in it. Who knows they could have come from R. himself. Unless he kept a diary of his life even R. would not be able to get everything exactly right.

LL--Of course you may borrow it as long as you play 23/4 for me (as promised). But hold that thought I have a call into someone that might help.

Marianne--Thank you for the photos of Ruth. I note she used an i instead of an a in her signature. When she authographed her newest double CD for me she used the a. (The CD was a gift to me from her along with her DVD on the 20th anniversary of R's death) In that DVD she told some of the same stories she told us at the R. Society meeting. But I did get some additional stories. First let me tell you about meeting her. As I said Ruth gave a talk at the Society meeting. She told of how she replaced R. for a concert and that R. had found out that he was replaced by a nine year old and then invited her to see him. A photographer caught the moment when R. opened the door. It made the cover of a magazine. I have looked for this photo so if you find it please post it. Later that evening I went to the dinner for V. Ashkenazy at a Russian restaurant in the theater district in New York City. It was buffet style. I had a drink and saw R's grandsons at the bar. I went to get my dinner and plate in hand began looking for a place to sit and there by the corner by herself with an empty chair next to her was Ruth so I sat down and we started talking. I told her I played and maybe she could give me some pointers. She said that she teaches and gave me her address and telephone number. She asked me about my other interests and I told her about my interest in racing sailboats. I told her I wished I could have met R. She told me that she had about 9 lessons from him. That she was afraid at first to play for him but he showed her a picture of his boat and told her about how he had someone taking care of it and later when she was relaxed she played for him. R. told Ruth that her fingers were like wet noodles and that she would have to strengthen them if she was going to play his music. She had also complained to him about having to practice so many hours but R. told her that he was practicing more hours than that because he had to be as good as Hoffman. I told Ruth that R. and I had similar interests piano, cars and boats. Ruth commented that R. would not have liked sailboats, he liked fast boats. I told her that it was the sensation of speed that would get him interested and that you can get in a sailboat. I told her about my ice boats and reaching speeds of over 50MPH. .....If this is interesting to you I will tell you about my lesson and talks with Ruth at her apartment (just down the street from where R. lived)

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Loved hearing the stories, LJC, and hope that you will share with us the lessons and talks with Ruth.

Were her lessons with Rach when she was 10 yrs old?

About the magazine cover. If you know the name of the magazine you can go into EBAY and put the title in your search section in MY EBAY and they will notify you any time that one of the magazines is offered.

I do this for some weird things that i am interested in.

Another idea is the library. There is interlibrary sharing these days. Hey, a photocopy might be welcome if it is that hard to find one to purchase. What about libraries at Juliard etc?


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