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Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? #1189496
04/28/09 11:13 PM
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I'm looking at buying one of these second hand but can't seem to find anywhere what year it came out.

Also, any comments on this particular piano? The person selling it is asking $1500. Does that sound like a reasonable price for this model? I'm looking to upgrade my 13-year old Clavinova.

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Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Jules85] #1189502
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This says 2000. I think the price is a bit high. Look at what you can get for new for $1500, you'll probably like a newer model better if you really want all the latest in an upgrade.

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Jules85] #1189503
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It's at least 3 generations old and seems to have been released in 2001. $1500 should be out of the question.

edit: nevermind my date. I read that it was debuted at NAMM2001, but not that it was released then. That price is still out of the question, though.

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Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: buck2202] #1189522
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I read here some months ago that high-end Clavinova models from the early 2000's were "overbuilt". That is, they were too good for their time. Subsequently released models were downgrades. It seems that we're just now seeing things swing back the other way, and we're getting stuff as good as those CLP9xx models.

Mind you, that was information posted here by someone (can't recall who) who had some prior experience with the Yamaha line, so I found his information to be credible. YMMV.

On the plus side: The specs at the provide link, above, reveal that this CLP970 has 5-level dynamic sampling (which is now only available on Yamaha's top end models, including the CLP380). And it has 128 polyphony, which was lacking in most Yamahas (and others) until fairly recently.

On the minus side: The CLP970 has the GH keyboard, not a GH3.

In summary, this is a pretty good unit. If it's in fine shape (check especially for keyboard feel and wear), then it might be a good choice.

But, as others have said, the price is a bit high. You can get numerous new Yamahas today with the GH keyboard at that price. Example: YDP160 at $1300.

Then again, those current models you won't give you the accompaniments, fancy displays and controls, dual 60 watt amplifiers, USB link, etc. that the CLP970 has.

So, IMO, this is a good pick. But the price is a tough call.

(Site note: Notice that there's a CLP970 model and a CLP970A model. The 970 has a floppy drive, the 970A does not. That's not really important these days, though, eh? smile You might want to find out if there are any other differences. The Yamaha web site has detailed PDF manuals for both models.)

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Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Horwinkle] #1189550
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Horwinkle is right that the CLP-970 has a lot of good features, I didn't take time to go through the specs earlier. Be sure to check out the specs sheet Horwinkle and others have come up with. It also depends on whether you'd increase your budget to look at the latest CLP models, or if you'd be content with a much older model.

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: guest1013] #1189560
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Thanks so much for all your replies!

What are your feelings as to what a good price would be? Seeing that it's 9 years old I definitely wouldn't pay $1500 for it. Maybe $1100? It's a private sale, so the guy might be willing to drop his price quite a bit.

My current piano, the one I've been playing for the past 11 years, is a CLP-411 (which I love by the way!) with 32 note polyphony, no GH keyboard, one-track recording, etc, so if I'm happy with this, I should be thrilled with all the features on the 970. If I like the sound and feel of it, it will all depend on his price I guess.

I've been shopping for new digitals as well, but quite frankly, I love the sound of my old 411 so much that I'm not sufficiently impressed by the new models to want to shell out $3500 or more. The only reason I'm even looking at replacing mine is that the keys are starting to rattle and otherwise wear out. I just want good sound and realistic touch and to keep some money in the bank for the acoustic that I'm hoping to buy eventually.

Thanks again!

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Jules85] #1189857
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I'd simply keep playing the 411. Digital pianos can last
indefinitely. As you've discovered, there's not
much difference in performance between older dp's
and today's best. The "low" polyphony is no problem
at all--as you add more polyphony, the circuitry and
software has to get more complex to support it, and the sound
gets "bloated" as a result, and thus, you really gain
nothing overall. Also, there's little difference
between 32 and 64, and not much between 64 and 128,
and thus, one could say that 32 is not much
different from 128 (if A=B and B=C, then A=C).

You said the the keys are "rattling" and "wearing
out," but that's not keeping you from playing
it the same as when it was new.

When shopping for used dp's, the general rule is
to offer half or less of the asking price. Digitals
are essentially a computer with a keyboard and
speakers and they lose value like a used pc.

However, sometimes you just need a change, and
so a new piano might be okay, but I think if you
got rid of your current digital,
you'd eventually come to regret it, since what you
replace it with, after the novelty wears off,
is not going to be any better.

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Gyro] #1189973
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Originally Posted by Gyro
I'd simply keep playing the 411. Digital pianos can last
indefinitely. As you've discovered, there's not
much difference in performance between older dp's
and today's best. The "low" polyphony is no problem
at all--as you add more polyphony, the circuitry and
software has to get more complex to support it, and the sound
gets "bloated" as a result, and thus, you really gain
nothing overall. Also, there's little difference
between 32 and 64, and not much between 64 and 128,
and thus, one could say that 32 is not much
different from 128 (if A=B and B=C, then A=C).

This is just absolutely not true. If low polyphony sounds better to you, it's probably because you're abusing the sustain pedal. It has no effect at all on the individual sounds that are produced; it simply allows the piano to play more of them simultaneously, allowing for natural note decays, dual voices, etc. without things cutting out unnaturally. If your playing sounds "bloated" on a high-polyphony DP, chances are that it would sound horrible on a real piano too. And they definitely don't last "indefinitely." There are moving parts, velocity sensors that fail, and speakers that crack. Nothing lasts forever.

As far as a good price, I'm not sure. I found a website listing the 970 for 2050 pounds in 2002, and a simple (read: inaccurate) currency conversion makes that $3000, but I don't know how that would have converted back then. If I had to guess, I'd say that I definitely wouldn't go above $1000 for that 9 year old DP, but you have to consider that the keyboard action on Yamaha DPs has improved dramatically since the 970 was released. And also realize that you would be upgrading to the next model up from the one that you already have (11 years old to 9 years old)...while it would certainly be an upgrade, it may not be as much of an upgrade as you would get if you looked at today's DPs in the $1000-1500 range.

My advice would be to try it out, and then try some new ones in your price range. The keyboard action alone would be enough to make me skeptical. And remember that you can always upgrade to piano software through MIDI if you find that you prefer the touch of a new mid-range model but the sound of the 970.

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: buck2202] #1190114
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Thanks for your comments.

Gyro, you'd have to hear my piano to know that I will definitely not regret getting one with normally functioning keys. A few of them rattle like crazy and unless I play with the volume cranked right up it really gets on my nerves. I hear you, though, about old digitals being adequate because I really do prefer the sound on mine to many of the newer models I've tried. Of course, to be fair, that's probably at least partly due to my ear just being accustomed to what I have. The action on newer keyboards, however, is most definitely better than my CLP-411. They've come a long way.

I haven't been thrilled with some of the newer digitals I've tried, except for the 'latest and greatest and most definitely out of my price range' models. smile For example, the CLP-380. I really do love that piano. I also like the Roland HP-207, which I have spent a couple hours playing in the past few weeks. I just don't feel like spending $3700 for it. That's why I'm starting to look at older models that are still quite a few steps up from what I have. Anyway, I'm going to have a look at the 970 and go from there.

thanks again!

Re: Anyone know what year the CLP-970 came out? [Re: Jules85] #1191504
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Update: tried out the 970 this afternoon. It was a definite no-go. Major key noise. So my search continues...!


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