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Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: Mike088] #1186762
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I respect what people are saying about room size; acoustics do matter. But for me this became a question of piano vs. house; since I may never live in a house with bigger rooms, I'd either have to get the piano I wanted and deal with possible architectural conflicts, or never get the piano I wanted. Most people seem to agree that grands much under six feet tend to be markedly inferior, but also that rooms much smaller than a certain (fairly large) size will wreak acoustic havoc. For those of us who don't live in fairly large houses, this presents a rather serious conflict.

For me bigger pianos are notably different not so much for volume as for color and nuance, so that "taming" a big one works much better than "enhancing" a small one.

Let's not forget that Horowitz had a concert grand in a NY apartment. Also, rugs, books, tapestries, even specialized acoustic foam, are a lot cheaper than a bigger house.

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Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: DarkGreenChocolate] #1186770
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I agree with what you say DGC. thumb

Only one minor detail. grin H. lived in a townhouse, not an apartment. smile But as you say he fit a concert grand into it.

Bigger is better, as wallet and reasonable minimum room dimensions allow. Obviously, no one wants it packed in so tight the bench is against the wall. laugh


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Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: DarkGreenChocolate] #1186937
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Originally Posted by DarkGreenChocolate
Let's not forget that Horowitz had a concert grand in a NY apartment.


His living(piano)room was bigger than many NYC apartments and had very high ceilings. I think, based on the videos I can remember, he also played with the lid down and lid hinge folded back.

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Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: pianoloverus] #1187102
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by DarkGreenChocolate
Let's not forget that Horowitz had a concert grand in a NY apartment.


His living(piano)room was bigger than many NYC apartments and had very high ceilings. I think, based on the videos I can remember, he also played with the lid down and lid hinge folded back.


That's correct. It was also on the second floor, meaning that piano had to be moved out the window with a crane.


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Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: DarkGreenChocolate] #1187199
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Originally Posted by DarkGreenChocolate
I respect what people are saying about room size; acoustics do matter.

For me bigger pianos are notably different not so much for volume as for color and nuance, so that "taming" a big one works much better than "enhancing" a small one.

Also, rugs, books, tapestries, even specialized acoustic foam, are a lot cheaper than a bigger house.


This is absolutely right. I have a fairly large room (18x24 with vaulted ceilings) and few soft surfaces, and my 6'3" Baldwin was "too big" for the space. What was needed was acoustic treatments on the walls and ceiling to absorb some of the sound, and that made a huge difference. In a very small room, you may need to treat as much as 50% of the room's surfaces, but it can be done with good aesthetics.

The tone of your piano matters, too. I've since replaced the Baldwin with a 6'10" Steinway, which is even "quieter" in the room than the Baldwin was. The difference in tone and touch makes it sound less overpowering than the smaller Baldwin.

Re: Minimum room size for a grand piano. Guideline [Re: Larry B] #1187908
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I have a Schimmel K189 piano, and the room for it isn't very big. Despite having fairly thick carpet, the sound that comes out can be quite devastatingly loud. But then it might just be my piano.

Most under 7 foot grand pianos can look quite short/small, but in fact, the area that it takes up is HUGE. So take that into account.

Also, it depends what you want to use your room for. If it's for a studio, than it's ok, but for anything else, I would stick with an upright. For me, I think a grand piano should never dominate more than, let's say, a third of the room's size. If it does, then I suggest you either find a bigger room, or don't get a grand at all.


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