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68% of all statistics are made up. This statement itself is not grounded. If you use statistics this way, no wonder people acccuse you of lying! Politicians do not know statistics even though they love it. The fact that a prime minister says something about lying statistics does not mean anything. Politicans are lying all the time.
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Total agreement with Penny. As the Dr. Frankenstein of this thread, the chart orders now read DNR (Do Not Resucitate). It's been a fun ride, but it's time to pull the plug. Be gentle, Frank!
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well, then, i suggest that everyone take a look at the new thread, "the tao of the piano." i'm very curious to see what people's responses will be to these ideas.
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68% of all statistics are made up.
It's a joke, folks.
But don't believe anything I tell you... including this.
Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as heck...
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Originally posted by DT: don't believe anything I tell you... including this. Okay, just let me see if I've got this straight. If I believe you in the fact that I shouldn't believe anything that comes from you, then I'm breaking your rule. However, if I shouldn't ever believe you, then I can't believe that I shouldn't beleive anything that you say, which means that I should believe you? This sure is a confusing paradox you've got going here.
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The race is on, can Spruce Soundboards get more posts than King of the Hill? :p :p :p :p :p Spruce Soundboards only has 230 to go!
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Even after 409 posts there is no consensus to who the King of the Hill is... not even a consensus that there is no King on the Hill yet.
At least at the Spruce soundboard thread, I know what wood the lid, rim, soundboard and legs of Pramberger piano are made of.
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Originally posted by subarus: Even after 409 posts there is no consensus to who the King of the Hill is... not even a consensus that there is no King on the Hill yet.
The King is dead. Long live the King.
There are few joys in life greater than the absence of pain.
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Originally posted by subarus: At least at the Spruce soundboard thread, I know what wood the lid, rim, soundboard and legs of Pramberger piano are made of. Maybe YOU do. I am still waiting on final verification. I assume that means we are going to buy one and take a power saw to it.
Today I plan on just "goin' with the flow". So don't be messin' with my flow!
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I should have known better than to read a 400+ post topic.
Full of sound and fury... :p
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Originally posted by JohnC: The King is dead. Long live the King. Long live the king? But, the king is dead. You said so yourself. And if the king is already dead, how can he continue to live long? hmmm... :p
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So while this thread has gone on, Yamaha has sold several "crore" (go look it up) more pianos, with soundboards specially aged for wherever you happen to live. It is still a decent, reliable, overpriced -- whoops! overvalued -- piano that obviously lots of people like and should be commended for their choice. Hey -- anyone know what the legs are made of? Are G legs different from C legs from S legs?
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I have information from a reliable source that all Yamaha grand legs are made from wood. I'd like to double confirm that on the GP1, however.
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I think that although their reign may be short lived, YAMAHA, has become the undisputed "king of the hill." I expect to see more "piano = YAMAHA" on more CD liner notes. And with the likes of Frederic Chiu, "the next Glenn Gould," recording on YAMAHA, even if he may not actually have one installed in his residence in Paris, I feel certain that more will follow suit. "So much more consistent than the ____________s we used to have here," was too often stated to be ignored. Someone certainly had better be listening.
Why did I post here today? Golly, sure had to beat out that tedious "spruce soundboards" thread.
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Thought this would be a nice thread to drop a small rumor...anybody else heard that Yamaha will be transferring most vertical production to China within the next 18 months?
If Yamaha is made in China, would that make any difference to the prospective buyers? Or is the Yamaha name so linked with a quality image that it doesn't matter where the pianos are made?
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Could it be that you were perhaps worried that the MrsSV thread could topple the King of the Hill thread? ...but this rumor should easily spark enough debate to add a few more pages and keep KOTH safely ensconced on top. My hunch is that IF Yamaha outsources vertical production to China (and I'd love to hear that rumor confirmed by a Yamaha dealer), it won't make a dent in their sales. Name recognition and brand image counts for so much more, and I suspect that the vast majority of Yamaha upright buyers would never even think to ask where the pianos are manufactured. I would think that you'd have to see a sustained drop in quality for a long time before Yamaha started suffering any ill effects from such a move, and there's no reason to believe that would occur.
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I think that, if true, it will cost them significantly.
Their competitors will be sure to point out the country of origin. And, there is definately a gereral perception that the Chinese-made products are of lesser quality than those of the USA and Japan. Even the Indonesian-made pianos have a better reputation.
I'm not saying that it is justified, only that it will be a factor.
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