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Here are the forum rules you ignore.

"If you consider yourself to be a professional, please act like one! If you just can't resist promoting yourself or your business, or you think bashing your competitors and/or their products is the way to do business...


Stop the Self-Promotion![/b]
It is NOT ACCEPTABLE[/b] for you to create posts thinly disguised as an innocent discussion when in fact they are nothing more than a promotion for your business.

Nor should you be directing your customers here for the sole purpose of touting how wonderful you are.


Some Guidelines:[/b]

Not Necessarily Self Promotion...[/b]
If a dealer OCCASIONALLY posts news about what is going on in their business, it's not self-promotion.
If a private individual is enthusiastic about a brand and talks about it a lot, it's not self-promotion.

Now for what we do consider self-promotion:[/b]

If you're in the business and you continually create posts to talk about your business, you're self-promoting."
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It's laughable to think my posts have anything to do with Brodmann. What would I have to gain? Of course if I was in the piano business as you once claimed....I almost fell off the piano bench when read that one.

As a NON DEALER I can talk as much as I want about my opinions about Piano X. When a dealer does it, even if he's saying customer Y said such and such, it's called self promotion.

Do you think when Steinway says pianist X says all these great things about Steinway, it's not self promotion?

pianoloverus, your signal to noise ratio isn't particularly good.

Let people talk about pianos, whether they sell them or not. If someone puts out an untruth, the knowledgable core group here will have the grill warmed up quickly. If someone is out of line, moderators will take care of it. If you don't like the moderators' sensibilities, then you have some decisions to make.

My sense is that reasonable members find your continual hectoring of others embarassing, and a real detriment to the environment here.

I challenge anyone to click on my name is any of my posts and then click on my post history. Read as many as you wish. they are all there.

Then do the same for Norbert.

You will find that the majority of Norbert's posts promote him and the brands he carries. While I certainly express my opinions I show no such bias.

Norbert, you consistant push the envelope. Soon, it will burst.

birchy:
I sent you a PM but don't know if it ever arrived. It should answer your concerns.

I notice you and Norbert are both from Vancouver and you own a Steigerman. Are you perhaps one of his customers?

I didn't get a message.

After a long search I did buy a piano from Norbert. It has worked out well.

Have you met him?

From birchy:



birchy, I am with you here.

When dealers are talking about their brands I find it more interesting than threads like these:



schwammerl.

[quote=birchy]I didn't get a message.
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I tried PM you twice and the message didn't go through. Your profile seems to indicate you do accept private messages. If you want to PM me with a test email maybe I can "reply".

Well, that's not exactly high praise. Where would you rate the infomercials with respect to the "Washing Hands after Playing the Piano" thread?

I'm Sorry this is a somewhat dated response but I just noticed this post and felt compelled to respond.

Upscale Piano Lessons,

I'm not sure what you are talking about..

I have no problem with Boradmann piano's. Actually, I have heard and said good things about them (please check my previous posts).

..and If you feel you were "unduly criticized or ridiculed" by me simply stating this thread was started 3 years ago then I'm not really sure what to say..

For whatever its worth, I hope you don't pass judgement on this site so quickly..

To bring in some fresh air.....

Perhaps it would be nice to hear from some others here about the pianos they carry and are proud of.

Of particular interest would be those that are relatively new on the market, are creating considerable consumer buzz in a short period of time, offering a line at least up to semi-concert grands and are being consecutively upgraded by Larry Fine in his Annual Supplements.

Wondering if Steve Cohen's grey-market pianos would perhaps make for a good candidate....

Norbert

Deflecting the issue of your blatent adverting of Brodmann by attackng me is a tactic worthy of Terry Wilson.

Also, inviting other dealers to promote their lines in violation of forum rules is a poor way to try to justify your transgressions.

Steve:

Why go back to Brodmann, the line you apparently once wanted but couldn't get?

In fact as a "industry consultant for Bechstein" I always wondered why you don't even carry Bechstein in your store.

It is very unfortunate that instead of making some valid contributions here you simply see the need to insult those owners of pianos who have seen fit to write about their shopping experience here.

You claim I'm hyping things, yet completely ignore that much of it it customer based stuff.

Including some of our areas most respected teachers, students, pianists and churches.

Too bad that things like that create envy and strife in the industry for those who may feel endangered or even threatened by the competitive edge happy customers can create in the market.

For most it's good stuff to read about - it's based on real life experience, the stuff Larry Fine is often basing his evaluations on.

Rest assured, always happy to read some of your own.

Congratulations in advance!

Norbert

*cake*

Hi again and I thank you for your replies so far. However, those replies do digress to some degree from my original points: so may I refer you to my actual questions:

Would any Brodmann dealers or Brodmann owners like to comment on their experiences when comparing Brodmann and, say, Yamaha, in terms of reliability, tuning stability and quality of action/touch response? (I appreciate there is a considerable price difference) Also, from a dealer's viewpoint, are there any problems with continuity of supply?

Any opinions, positive or negative, on these manufacturers' and their models would be very much appreciated.

Likewise, if I can be of any help in supplying feedback from UK customers regarding new Yamaha and Steinway pianos, I would be delighted to help.

I've had my BU 125 (Now called a PE 125 I believe) for about 13 months and it's behaving very well; still sounding gorgeous and has stayed in tune very well - better than I expected for a brand new piano settling into a new home. A slight "click" developed when depressing the sustain peddle (it was VERY quiet, only audible when playing pp and WITH the practice pedal) and went away again a week later.

I don't have much to compare it to, but since I'd rate my experience with the piano as just about flawless, I can't imagine another brand of piano could have pleased me more. Which isn't to say I don't believe there are better pianos - but for someone at my level of proficiency (moderate, shall we say!) , with my budget, it seems to have worked out well. The piano I can most easily compare it to is my teacher's, which is a Boston grand, and of course it has a fuller sound and a touch capable of more subtlety, but it was I guess between four and five times the price.

The reason I picked the Brodmann over the other pianos on my shortlist (a Bechstein, a Danemann, and a U3, all about the same price) was mostly the peace of mind I associated with owning something brand new. Tuners and technicians seemed to be responding well to the brand, and I found myself thinking "the Bechstein sounds great, but how much longer will a 90 year old pin-block last?" ; "the U3 has a great action but how much life is left in the strings?" etc...

A year and a bit down the line and I've learned quite a bit more about pianos, but I'm deliriously happy with my choice still, though I do eye up the 187cm grand whenever I pass my dealer's place!

I know your posting was quite a while ago but I'm curious what did you end up buying and are you happy? I'm in the market for that similiarly elusive 10-15,000 under 6ft grand and have been considering Broadmann. So I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

thank you. steve

the person who started this thread last posted three years ago so may not be back to respond...

there's a more recent thread here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1164681/1.html

which digresses in the middle but is more recent and involves someone choosing between a brodmann 187, a kawai RX2 and a boston 178 - might be worth a look.