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Brodmann was a project started by Boesendorfer years ago before they had to eventually abondon it, this apparently due to financial difficulties. The project never got beyond a very early stage due to marketing issues, not financial difficulties.
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Originally posted by Norbert:
I've said this here so many times, it's becoming a broken record...
Agree.
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Originally posted by BoseEric: Brodmann was a project started by Boesendorfer years ago before they had to eventually abondon it, this apparently due to financial difficulties. Did it get farther than a thought? Were there any pianos designed, tested and approved? My understanding is the product line is owned by a pianos dealer, Parsons in China. What connection did Parsons have with Bosendorfer?
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Rod,
Your posts about pianos from China are so so obvious, not that transparency is necessarily a bad thing.
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In an earlier thread someone posted that Bosie ahd built prototypes. I don't recall if the poster said anything about what the execs took with them. In a more recent thread the 187's scale was said to be a copy of the Steinway A. In that thread Del posted that it was of an A2.
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For most pianists, piano players or music lovers, getting the right piano for themselves is a simple matter of musical/personal compatibility. Compatibility can happen with any piano reagardless of its name or background or *who* designed it, *why* and for which specific purpose. A player's choice doesn't need justification or *reason* and no piano shopper is accountable to anyone else but him/herself.[well, perhaps a wife or husband...  ] In this context every piano out there is making a contribution, if only for purposes of comparison or giving a different point of reference for shoppers. On Saturday I received a very nice letter by someone who had opted for a different piano in the end but very much appreciated the experience she had trying out our Brodmann grands. In my world, this is the stuff that makes it worth being in this business, as opposed to try selling each and everybody the piano one happens to carry, find justification for its existence and/or pretending to have the *right* answers for everybody at all times. Norbert 
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Hm.
Seems I,m not the only one to laud Brodmanns virtues
[This thread now going 3 years!}
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Well not really - let's say it was "resurrected" after three years. There have been several threads written during that time that have provided much more information about Brodmann pianos than can be found here. And yes - I happen to think Brodmanns are a smoking deal given what they sell for compared to other brands. HOWEVER - from a quality standpoint they are comparable to Yamaha, Kawai, Boston (Japanese) and Young Chang (Korean) - all GOOD consumer grade instruments. They are not Tier One or Two instruments. For the average player they are just fine. For heavier use, perhaps not.
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Hi Rod, Thanks for the welcome! Reverse engineering is when a company dissects a competitor's product in order to figure out what it's made of and how it works. Then, copies are manufactured that may or may not violate existing patents. (A notable example in music electronics is Behringer vs Mackie.) Now, being that I have no inside or direct contact with anyone from Bosendorfer or Broadmann, this info is all from the grapevine and should be confirmed from sources other than myself. The story I heard was that Bosendorfer had started this project but abandoned it due to financial issues. The Bose execs who were supposed to run the project, went out and started it up on their own. I would guess that the original Bosendorfer plan to copy a Steinway and sell it at $15k made a lot of sense from a competitive standpoint. Have you had a chance to take a look or play the Broadmann yet? It has very little history so there's no proof as to how it will hold-up over time, but I was very impressed with it in every regard. Paul www.upscalepianolessons.com
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Ouch! 
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Hi Rod, Hi Jonathon, Playing a Brodmann and posting on Pianoworld are both new to me. I will read the rules again to see if there's a time limit on responding to a thread. If I've made an error, my bad, I apologize to you and the community. With that said, I think that you might consider a world where neophytes are welcomed and not unduly criticized or ridiculed for not being totally up to speed. I thought this was going to be a nice, friendly place to talk about pianos... oops... STUPID ME! Jonathon, I noticed that Brodmann is not included in your product line: Could this be the reason for that three-year-old pebble in your shoe? 
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Hi
Brodmann seem to be receiving some good reviews.
Would any Brodmann dealers or Brodmann owners like to comment on their experiences when comparing Brodmann and, say, Yamaha in terms of reliability, tuning stability and quality of action/touch response? (I appreciate there is a considerable price difference) Also, from a dealer's viewpoint, are there any problems with continuity of supply?
Many thanks in advance for your time.
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Chris, Welcome on board as a European piano dealer. There aren't all that many around here! schwammerl.
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I appreciate there is a considerable price difference Officially there should not be all that much difference anymore with e.g. Yamaha in Europe if dealers would apply Brodmann's RRPs, e.g.: http://www.brodmann-pianos.com/grand_piano_1870.html?&L=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.molod.net.ru%2Fforum%2Ftemplates%2FsubSilver%2Fimages%2Fesoxod%2Friwezin%2F However price are a bit all around in Europe. Dealers like e.g. Precision Pianos in the Irish Republic or Besbrode, Leeds are in fact quoting prices based on RRPs of end of 2006! Not so however in e.g. France, Germany. schwammerl.
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Brodman is just another of the many European-Chinese ventures which will introduce astoundingly new high quality pianos now coming on market. Brodmann was a project started by Boesendorfer years ago before they had to eventually abondon it, this apparently due to financial difficulties. The new Brodmann pianos and grands are really beautifully sounding pianos, each identically equipped with genuine German Strunz soundboards, German Helmut Abel hammers, the English made Langer action and, of course the obligatory high end German Roslau strings. Judging by its tone, touch, design, manufactured components and execution of built and construction - Brodmann, from our experience and in our opinion, is a piano nearing almost now already the very edge of quality before reaching true high end. Several piano dealers in the U.S. have confided to me that this is one of the most *worrisome* pianos coming up as a new competitior, especially in their own neighbourhood.... Due to their long affiliation with other, perhaps more established makes, it has often prevented them from 'making the move' adopting the line. Gladly, we did not face the same kind of problem and have made our choice accordingly. Norbert  Is this a post or an advertisement??
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The fact that Brodmann makes a decent piano doesn't justify one's running an advertising campaign for it.
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Steve:
As the previous "Mr.Pramberger" par excellence you were so eager in advertising that brand here on the board that it even embarassed us dealers.
Praise by customers or consumers however, fall into a slightly different category.
For those of course, who understand the *difference*....
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The fact that Brodmann makes a decent piano doesn't justify one's running an advertising campaign for it. Exactly. Norbert refuses to abide by the forum rules because he thinks he can probably get away with it. I've told him countless times that my objections have nothing to do with the particular piano he's giving his latest infomercial about or whether I think his statements are true. Even if there was new piano ten times better than Boesendorfer and it cost $100 including a leather artist bench, 10 free tunings, Stanwoodized action, solid gold name plate, and lessons from Horowitz it is not appropriate for a dealer of that piano to endlessly self promote it here.
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Complete nonsense.
Actual customer reports about a brand like Brodmann and factual upgradings by Larry Fine are bits of information anybody can bring to the plate - in fact he/she *should*.
These are hard earned things in business and being largely customer/fact based - as are the links in my above post - are the most of all credible information available to consumers today.
You, Steve Cohen or anybody else, is very welcome to demonstrate the success of those brand you have either chosen for yourself or favourite of.
This threat, however, is about Brodmann and as a long time dealer for Brodmann I am entitled to make those remarks which are either based on our own experience or that by our customers.
The reason you and some others here keep fighting anything good being said about this make, is simply that you know the information is actually *correct* and has some kind of real or potential effect on your own [or your friends..] position within the market.
My advice: Choose those brands with highest potential and promise early in the game, otherwise your competition will.
Chances are, it already has....
Norbert
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