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#1131687 - 07/29/05 08:59 PM Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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I am curious because of the age spread in this forum. The jazz piano we really enjoy listening too is what motivates to practice and is the perfect place to pick apart tunes. My personal favorites are,
1.Art Tatum
2.Phineas Newborn Jr.
3.Bud Powell
4.Thelonious Monk
5.Bill Evans
6.Horace Silver
7.McCoy Tyner
8.Keith Jarret
9.Herbie Handcock
10.Chick Corea
Who are your favorites? dpvjazz

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#1131688 - 07/30/05 06:19 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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I like the guys in your list, dvpjazz. I have trouble ordering them, but I'll give a try....

1. Vladimir Horowitz
2. Bill Evans
3. Barry Harris
4. Herbie Hancock
5. Bud Powell
6. Gene Harris
7. Mal Waldron
8. Mulgrew Miller
9. Hampton Hawes
10. Lenny Tristano

heck, ran out of slots. There's still Ruben Gonzales, McCoy Tyner, Horace Silver, Hank Jones, Tommy Flannagan, Jimmy Rowles, Kenny Barron, Kenny Drew, George Shearing, Vince Guaraldi, Oscar Peterson, Eric Gunnison, Joe Bonner, Eddie Palmieri, Roland Hanna, ....

Each do their own little things that are so enjoyable and profound. Very hard to pick only 10!

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#1131689 - 07/30/05 08:41 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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1)Art Tatum
2)Art Tatum
3)Art Tatum
4)Fats Waller
5)Earl "Fatha" Hines
6)Lee Sims
7)Donald Lambert
8)Willie The Lion Smith
9)Oscar Peterson
10)Dick Hyman

#1131690 - 07/30/05 10:37 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Herbie Nichols or Red Garland anyone?
Perhaps Brad Mehldau or Fred Hersch for a more contemporary flavor?

Too many giants to select 10.

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#1131691 - 07/31/05 01:19 AM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Hey Great Idea for a thread!

I've only been into Jazz for a couple of years so I am discovering "new" artists all the time.

I don't know about the 10 best but here are my 10 favorite(IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER):

1. Bill Evans
2. McCoy Tyner
3. Oscar Peterson
4. Keith Jarrett
5. Phineas Newborn Jr.
6. Makoto Ozone
7. Jessica Williams
8. Thelonious Monk
9. Ahmad Jamal
10. Bud Powell

IPGrunt

I don't recognize some of the names in your post. I will definitely be looking into them and their music, but can you suggest some recordings?

Vladimir Horowitz
Barry Harris
Gene Harris
Mal Waldron
Mulgrew Miller
Hampton Hawes
Lenny Tristano

Thanks,

Ryan

#1131692 - 07/31/05 12:24 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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I needed 11 slots.

In no particular order:

Peterson
Garland
Hancock
Evans
Monk
Mehldau
Flanagan
Tatum
Pasqua
Kelly
Jarrett


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#1131693 - 07/31/05 12:42 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Peterson
Evans
Tatum
Monk
Jarrett
Hancock
Gulda wink
The Duke
Brubeck
Basie

Btw, has anyone heard the Corea/Gulda album 'the meeting'. A VERY interesting recording.


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#1131694 - 07/31/05 01:11 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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No particular order

1. Bill Evans
2. McCoy Tyner
3. Jason Moran
4. Lynne Arial
5. Michel Camilo
6. Gene Harris
7. Eddie Higgins
8. Thelonious Monk
9. Ahmad Jamal
10. Hank Jones

#1131695 - 07/31/05 02:18 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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in no particular order:

Evans
Chick
Herbie
Monk
Basie
Jarret
Tyner
Oscar Peterson
Michel Petrucciani
Michel Camilo
Russ Ferrante
Lyle Mays
Alan Pasqua
John Beasley


how many is that...??? I'm just getting started...


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#1131696 - 07/31/05 06:34 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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This is like one of my secret vices: looking through people's recording collections to look for artists who have played shows I have tuned at!

Two that I found especially awesome were Dorothy Donegan and Bobby Enriques. (I have to mention them to keep an unbroken string here.)


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#1131697 - 07/31/05 08:06 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Lo and behold names i have never heard of Makto Ozone,Eric Gunnison,Lee Sims,Donald Lambert,Gulda,Jason Moran,Lynne Arial,Eddie Higgins,and John Beasley. Nine new jazz players waiting for me learn about and hear. How about Geri Allen
Kenny Barron
Ray Bryant
Jaki Byard
Nat King Cole
Cedar Walton
Horace Parlan
Junior Mance
Andrew Hill
Gonzalo Rubalcaba

#1131698 - 07/31/05 09:01 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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And don't forget Rob Mullins (who is probably lurking here)!!! For those of you who aren't familiar with his work, you really need to hear this guy.

And no, I don't get a cut of his CD sales...
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#1131699 - 07/31/05 09:40 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Darn, I don't think I've ever tuned for Rob Mullins! That's the first post without one!


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#1131700 - 08/01/05 07:50 AM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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I heard/saw Gonzalo Rubalcaba on his tribute to Jobim and he is one awesome piano player! Unfortunately I haven't heard enough of him to put him in all-time top ten.

Here is list:
O.PETERSON
B.EVANS
H.HANCOCK
E.GARNER (no one exudes 'fun' like GARNER)
C.COREA
W.KELLY
M.TYNER (once saw him at the Kennedy Center)
A.TATUM
T.MONK
V.GUARALDI


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#1131701 - 08/01/05 07:52 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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This is extremely hard. There is so much wonderful talent past and present.

No particular order.

Les McCann
Chick Corea
Herbie Hancock
Oscar Peterson
Dave Brubeck
Earl Garner
Thelonious Monk
Kenny Barron
Ahmad Jamal
Geri Allen


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#1131702 - 08/02/05 03:49 AM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Here are my 10, but rather in order. I have personally met Erroll Garner and Oscar Peterson and the delightful pianist Teddy Wilson. Teddy was resident pianist for Benny Goodman for many years and highly rated by BG which is saying something.

Erroll probably gave me most pleasure and still does. A unique style with every time a different presentation of the song. In mid 1960,s to 1977 when he tragically died of angina he was at the top of his form.

Never copied by any professional that I can think of.

My following of jazz piano pretty well stops at the period of the late 1970's.

Don Lambert by the way I have got on tape and was mightily impressed with him.

I like stride and add Ralph Sutton for that style.

Sorry, but cannot get my head round the present day jazz piano. OK! some is understandable but I think current jazz piano is more technically advanced with sounds that do not relate to my foundation. You may see what I mean by my short list of 10. Art Tatum deserves the highest commendation due to his blindness in one eye and his unbelievable and unbeaten style. Oscar comes close though in my view.

Erroll was not taught music and played through natural talent and a unique gift.

All in my own opinion.

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Art Tatum
Oscar Peterson
Erroll Garner
Fats Waller
Teddy Wilson
Jess Stacy
Makoto Ozone
Ralph Sutton
James P Johnson
Earl Hines

#1131703 - 08/03/05 09:24 AM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Anyone here listening to Eldar Djangirov? I've been listening to him on Sirius. At time it seems like he's playing with 4 hands.


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#1131704 - 08/03/05 09:30 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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I met Eldar at the Catalina jazz club in Los Angeles this past year and heard him play two nights. I also met his father who travels with him. Really nice people and Eldar will be one of the next greats as he matures.

#1131705 - 08/05/05 05:21 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Never saw Horowitz on a jazz list before smile
Here's my list:

1)Bill Evans
2)Chick Corea
3)Keith Jarrett
4)Herbie Hancock
5)Josef Zawinul
6)Harry Connick Jr
7)Hampton Hawes
8)Lyle Mays
9)Brad Mehldau
10)Kenny Kirkland


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#1131706 - 08/06/05 08:31 AM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Let me add a vote for Errol Garner. It's a mystery to me that he is not on everyone's list. I loved the energy in his music; and the way he used the whole piano; and the way he seemed to be improvising with both hands at the same time.

I see several votes for Keith Jarrett. I tend to be turned off by his grunting, to the extent that I never listen to him. Lots of other pianists do it too, but, to me, his seems to be the most irritating. Perhaps I ought to find a way to discipline myself to ignore it, because I know I am missing out on something good there.

And I see a lone vote for Michel Petrucciani. I have only heard him once, on the radio, and I have no recordings of him. However, that one experience was quite memorable!

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Kenny Kirkland! Man could he play!!!

I'm hereby expanding my top-10 to include less legendary, more recent pianists (including Mr. Kirkland):

Don Grolnick
Danilo Perez
Ed Simon
John Beasley
Marcus Roberts


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#1131708 - 08/06/05 01:23 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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It's hard to list just 10. There are (and were) so many great players out there.


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#1131709 - 08/06/05 06:15 PM Re: Who are your favorite top ten jazz pianists?  
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Riddler.

I certainly support your views on Erroll Garner. I have probably all his recordings on Vinyl LPs and then CDs some doubled of course. Even a couple of DVD's I have seen him in person in England in the mid 1960's and met him once in the dressing room where he was having a quick Budweiser.I have a Biography of him too which was written just after his early death in 1977 with angina. He is always spoken of as a completely by ear pianist. They interview lots of his bass and drum backing for the trios and they all mention his complete lack of any technical music knowledge what so ever. His family also help out with the book and it was obvious that he was given every incouragement to play the piano at home and when he formed a small group whilst still a child called the Kandy Kats. The family home was Pittsburgh.

Yes Sir, the man was truly a genius. And a great human being. A really happy individual.

If you want his best time it's from the mid 60's until his demise 1977.IMHO

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I believe that Errol Garner's Concert by the Sea is one of the most exciting jazz records out there plus his That's My Kick will show influences of other pianists. When Errol was starting out the mob actually controlled the music in a lot of clubs and unions and that when he was breaking in they took him to a club to get him started and at the time the piano player was Art Blakey,the mob guy says to Art, get up this is the new piano player Art gets up and mutters and what the heck do I play, the mob guy looks around the room and sees and empty drums set and says your the new drummer. Back in the days of Tatum they use to have piano cutting contests at the clubs so if you walk in you better be prepared. All the great players would work up pieces to dazzle and cut lessor pianists. The story goes Horowitz use to check it out and sometimes play at these sessions. Well Tea For TWO was one of those pieces that people were using so Horowitz takes about three or so weeks and works out and arrangement of Tea For Two comes in and plays it and blows everyone away. Well Tatum was sitting in the back he got up went to the piano and played Tea For Two the house went nuts Horowitz goes up to Tatum congratulates him and said nice arrangement how long did it take you to work that out? Tatum replied just now!

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Alan, dpvjazz,

Fascinating stuff about Garner, Blakey, Horowitz, Tatum.

I wonder what it is about Tea for Two that draws classical musicians into jazz? Shostakovich wrote an arrangement for it, for full symphony orchestra. I guess he considered to be a jazz arrangement. I have read that he wrote it on a bet, in less than an hour, just to prove he could do it. I have heard it played a couple of times, as an encore. Can't say I really cared for it, but if I had known about the bet at the time, I would have gotten a chuckle out of it.

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I started to do a little research on this question with Google. I was surprised to find quite a few Jazz Halls of Fame.

Is there a Pianist "Hall of Fame"?

I couldn't find one.

I know that this is really a matter of taste, Dave Brubeck should be near the top of anyone's list.


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dpvjazz, I like the piece about Art Tatum as I have great love for his style and technique. I have one shortish video recording from somewhere of him and his fingering is a fantastic joy to behold.

I often wonder if other pianists always watch a pianists hands? I certainly do. I get great frustration when the camera-man does silly things like showing a close-up of the person's face or the inside of the piano, anything but the hands.

I almost always go to a concert, booking a seat that will show the keyboard.

So thanks for the post.

Alan

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Bye the way. If you see any posts made by 'Alanjazz'member # 8931, in earlier dates, that was me. I had to re-register because my login name had gone haywire. Tried to email contact, but no reply.

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Nobody mentioned Sonny Clark, but he had about the most fluid touch of that Bud Powell group of pianists in the fifties and early sixties (which also included Kenny Drew, Walter Bishop, Tommy Flanagan, Cedar Walton, Wynton Kelly, and Red Garland). It was like water running downhill.

Horace Silver deserves special mention. The man was a quadruple threat: great as soloist, accompaniest, composer, and bandleader. It's hard to think of anyone who can match that, except maybe Duke Ellington (Duke wasn't up to Silver's level as a soloist though).

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I see several votes for Keith Jarrett. I tend to be turned off by his grunting, to the extent that I never listen to him. Lots of other pianists do it too, but, to me, his seems to be the most irritating. Perhaps I ought to find a way to discipline myself to ignore it, because I know I am missing out on something good there.
I too was turned off for a long time by that. Don't let that keep you from superb music. I recently decided to give him another try and I have found some gems as a result. He a phenomenal talent and has a very unique and distinctive sound. Try his disk "Somewhere Before", and also his standards albums with Jack Dejohnette and Gary Peacock were excellent.

Ryan

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Just a couple of comments. On our satelite TV we have a program called 'Performance' and from time to time they do some very interesting Jazz items. I caught one on Keith Jarret that brought up the situation where he had a very strange medical condition that took him some 2 years to combat. He has rehabilitated and recovered but it was very dramatic. I do like live video/DVD recordings of jazz pianists as they are inspirational to my own playing, which is completely by ear.

The other point is if anyone is keen to buy a set of 4 CD's of Bud Powell they are on offer at Amazon US location and hopefully in the UK too.

I'am afraid I missed his name on my list but should have had it on. He was said to have been able to copy Art Tatum's style and I do see what they mean as I played a tape from a radio program today mentioning that very subject. I had forgotten what he was like which is very remiss of me. Hope to get these Powell CDs.

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Interesting observation but there are only four or so women named as favorites. I thought I would add some names that added to history of jazz piano.
1 Mary Lou Williams
2 Shirly Scott
3 Melba Liston
4 Nadine Jansen
5 Marion McPartland
6 Joanne Brackeen
7 Toshiko Akiyoshi
8 Carla Bley
9 Renee Rosnes
10 Diana Krall
Also I notice two players not mention but worth listening if you can find their music
Denny Zeitlin and Dodo Marmarosa. I remember watching my piano teachers hands as he played the blues and being astounded as he worked the keyboard. When I was younger I went to see Earl Fatha Hines and that guy had some long digits he was 80 when I saw him and his playing was wonderful. That brings up another point times change and so do favorites when i was young Fats Waller would have been on the lists as Fatha Hines, Count Basie and Duke Ellington. Check out Money Jungle with Max Roach Charles Mingus and the DUKE at the piano and then lets talk about Dukes lack of technique.

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Interesting observation but there are only four or so women named as favorites. I thought I would add some names that added to history of jazz piano.
1 Mary Lou Williams
2 Shirly Scott
3 Melba Liston
4 Nadine Jansen
5 Marion McPartland
6 Joanne Brackeen
7 Toshiko Akiyoshi
8 Carla Bley
9 Renee Rosnes
10 Diana Krall
Also I notice two players not mention but worth listening if you can find their music
Denny Zeitlin and Dodo Marmarosa. I remember watching my piano teachers hands as he played the blues and being astounded as he worked the keyboard. When I was younger I went to see Earl Fatha Hines and that guy had some long digits he was 80 when I saw him and his playing was wonderful. That brings up another point times change and so do favorites when i was young Fats Waller would have been on the lists as Fatha Hines, Count Basie and Duke Ellington. Check out Money Jungle with Max Roach Charles Mingus and the DUKE at the piano and then lets talk about Dukes lack of technique.
Danny Zeitlin is an interesting performer. I believe he's a psychiatrist by training and perhaps he still practices medicine, because he does tend to drop out of the scene for years at a time. If you are in a place where you can hear him perform, do make haste to get to this rare treat.

Women jazz players are also a rare commodity, and this is unfortunate. Here in the Denver area, we have a very talented keyboard artist, Ellyn Rucker who is at home playing with a 12 piece jazz band, or in a cocktail lounge.

I would venture to add another name to that list, Sarah Vaughn. I don't know if you've heard her accompany herself, but it can be great.

And don't forget Shirley Horn.

Until recently, I would not have included Diane Krall in your list, as I had heard only her latest effort singing old standards. I felt she was just another sex symbol trying to make it in a crossover world. Not so. I picked up a copy of her first solo recording at the library last month, Stepping Out. Nice album! Her playing exhibits excellent timing, tasty phrasing and touch, and she sings a bit like Carmen Macrae. I like her. It's a shame what they've done to her, though I'm sure it's put some big bucks in her bank account.


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Nobody likes Red Garland and Monty Alexander?


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Denny Zeitlin is amazing. I've seen him several times.

As for women jazz players, I used to study with Joyce Collins, who is a very fine pianist in the Los Angeles area.


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Nobody likes Red Garland and Monty Alexander?
Red's great, but I wouldn't put him on my top 10 list. His playing, for me, is too repetitive and stylized--too many of the same Red Garland tricks heard on too many solos, I guess is my problem. Though some of those tricks, like harmonizing thirds in the left hand, are great ideas.

Again, Monty Alexander is another great player, but not in my top ten. I don't listen to him very much, probably because I'm a purist at heart (my favorite flavor of ice cream is vanilla), and his "innovations" with sound and instrumentation put me off.

Just my humble opinion--everyone has one and all have value. Thanks for bringing their names into the discussion.


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Both Red and Monty have solo books out there with some great arrangements as do alot of other players posted here. I had a chance to see Diana Krall twice and her concerts were some of the best I ever saw. Another cross over pianist not mention Andre Previn who has both feet in the classics and jazz. Who else in the classical arena has made a successful transition. dpvjazz

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Both Red and Monty have solo books out there with some great arrangements as do alot of other players posted here. I had a chance to see Diana Krall twice and her concerts were some of the best I ever saw. Another cross over pianist not mention Andre Previn who has both feet in the classics and jazz. Who else in the classical arena has made a successful transition. dpvjazz
Crossover is tough, and Previn is the best, hands down. I have a recording of Handel Sonatas made by Keith Jarrett. Surprisingly good stuff. Jazz players, at least those who haven't been trained classically, have trouble with their legato playing. Not so for Mr. J.

I've also heard a blistering rendition of the CPE Bach Solfeggio played by Bud Powell. While the performance is impressively virtuosic and gets a large hand from the club audience (in Paris, I believe), it sounds quite rough around the edges. It sounds too much like someone playing a classical "style", and not a real classical performance. Impressive, none-the-less.


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Riddler,

Interesting thing about 'Tea for Two' with which I bore my wife and the family. And must have done, more so than any other number. So have left it more recently. The Art Tatum version is stunning, IMO.

Also talking of classical muscicians apart from piano. Stephan Grappelli persuded Yehudi Menuin (Spelling?) to play T-4-2 once, as he said he would like to try jazz.

It sounds a simple song but with the inevitable key changes in a jazz version it always becomes less than straight forward to me. But I get there ok.

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Yeah Ipgrunt I would love to hear BUD playing that. Saw Keith Jarrett live twice with the trio and I think I enjoy him in that setting the most. Talk about interplay. Just can't get in to his classical. Tea for two then what is the cut tune now?

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Piano is really my world - but wouldn't swop my Grappelli/Menuhin CD "Strictly for the Birds" for half the Gates Empire. There is special appeal in the enchantment of these two consummate violinists (from such different backgrounds) strutting their unique jazz improvisations through, amongst others, the likes of

Sweet Georgia Brown
A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square - Manning Sherwin
Laura - David Raksin
Lullaby of Birdland - George Shearing
Rosetta - EArl Hines
Skylark - Hoagy Carmichael
Sweet Sue - Victor Herbert
Bye Bye Birdland - Ray Hendersen

Glad the company approves of piano greats Ahmad Jamal and Teddy Wilson.

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