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#1116173 - 01/13/07 03:36 PM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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#1116174 - 01/13/07 08:44 PM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Pianolina: I LOVED it!! thumb

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After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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Double post because I REALLY, REALLY like it. laugh laugh

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#1116176 - 01/14/07 04:23 AM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Kathleen, I just saw the Theory thread about Chopin's waltz 69/2 which I play (just for my own humble pleasure wink ) and I was very interested to read about that, but I wouldn't have found out ever, because I rarely go over to the pianist corner.

The reason for my post is this one - would you please consider starting a new thread for each new Nocturne (in particular 9.1 and 9.2). It is still too early for me to learn one, BUT 1) this working group experience is really very good (I am in the Mozart Fantasy), it is motivating and extremely helpful, and 2) I am dead determined to start learning my first Nocturne in summer (the 9.1, please smile ).

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#1116177 - 01/14/07 12:42 PM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Dear Patty: Thank you. I also think we do have a very nice bunch of people here.

I guess I am a little confused about your suggestion. Forgive me if I can't remember (this thread is so big), but are you referring to one or two of our posters talking about learning a new nocturne, in particular 9.1 and 9.2? I do seem to recall that some us have "branched off" onto other compositions.

The nocturne thread orginally started because we all wanted to learn to play the 55.1. Some of us have done so, but others, like me, are still struggling with it.

I would be happy to ask those in our group who have started and are playing the two nocturnes in question, if they would be willing to start a new topic, just for these two nocturnes.

I don't feel qualified to do so, at this point, because, as I mentioned, I haven't finished the 55.1.

OK, I'll ask right now.

Thank you for the suggestion,

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Dear Nocturnites:

Patty has asked that we start a new thread for nocturnes, 9.1 and 9.2.

I told her I am not qualified to do so, since I haven't finished the 55.1

Are any of you willing to take on and be a "moderator" of a new thread..devoted to either one or both of the above mentioned nocturnes?

I am certain, because of their popularity, that you would get many intersted people who would love to learn either of these beautiful nocturnes.

So please give it some thought. Many thanks for your consideration,

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That's the point - the thread is so long that I am afraid to miss something but unfortunately I don't have the time to follow up on all the posts. So the suggestion is to start a new thread whenever you (as a group) decide to start learning a new Nocturne, I would hardly miss that. But it does not matter when that would be, it is still a bit early for me. By the way I listened to your Time Capsule recordings, you have made extraordinary progress, it sounds very good.

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Patty, I know this thread is so long and so is the other Chopin Lovers. I tried making an index on the first page of the thread, but it's tedious and time consuming job. I don't mind doing it, but sometimes it does take away from my practice time.

If the group decides to start a new nocturne (or two), I promise I will start a brand new thread for that.

Thank you for your kind words on my progress. I devote at least 3 hours a day, so it is always good to hear that it's paying off.


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After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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I'm working on 48/1.. I'm up for anyone starting a study group for that monster... :rolleyes:


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Oh Peyton!! This is my absolute favorite nocturne. As I mentioned when I heard LisztAddict play it, it give me goosebumps. I think it is so representative of every emotion Chopin had hidden deep within.

Do you think we should start a new thread for this nocturne?? Patty suggested that this would be much easier for those who would like to join in. Otherwise, any new nocturne group starting here is buried in 30 pages.

I would be happy (if you don't want to) to be the "monitor" although I don't know anything about the nocture. Maybe we could ask LizstAddict if he would be interested in helping us out.

What do you think?

Kathleen


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I see this as a REAL long term project as the second part is truely difficult but I'm game for a study group.


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I'm still working on trying to improve 55.1 (although in my defense, I didn't start on it until the end of November). In case anyone is interested, I made some recordings of 55.1 with my new Zoom, but I'm not happy with the sound level. I want to try it a few more times and experiment with setting the level lower so there's no distortion and then adjusting it with either Audacity or Cubase. This is avoiding the topic of whether my playing is any good or not! What I'm most unhappy with when I listen is that the right hand is not legato or shaped enough. It all sounds kind of plunky.

RE 48.1: The last time I took lessons, my teacher actually started me on this piece, but IMO, it was too difficult for me, especially at that time. The first two pages aren't bad, but then it gets really tough (a lot harder than the Rachmaninoff C# Prelude another study group is working on).

BTW, does anyone think the melody in 48.1 sounds a little like "All the Things You Are" (or rather, vice versa)?


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#1116186 - 01/16/07 12:29 PM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Hi Pianoagain: smile We would love to hear the 55.1 as soon as you feel you've got it conquered. As far as the plunky part (in your opinion), I just went to the piano and played the first page to get an idea of what you were talking about. And (now, remember I am FAR from an expert), I noticed that I let my fingers linger on each key or chord until the next. Almost like a loving caress. But, then, I do play it slower that probably indicated. :rolleyes:

As far as the 48.1, we know we are taking on a MAJOR composition, eek and the challenge will be SUPER. But, I so love this nocturne that I think it will keep me going, even if it takes a few years.

I know and love that song, All the Things You Are. If you REALLY strain your ear, I guess it might sound a little like that song. But it's a real stretch for me. wink

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#1116187 - 01/18/07 01:37 PM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Oopppsss, we slipped to page 2.

I, for one, still have the last page to conquer, so I will need this page up and ready.

Kathleen


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I am planning to record this again this weekend. This has been a crazy week, what with a concert last night (see the threat "OT - Vent") and another on Sunday (different group) w/dress reh. tomorrow night.

That last section with the RH triplets is the stumbling block for me in this piece. I need to practice it slowly at least a dozen more times.


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HI PA: I have to confess that the triplet part (just about 8 measures) took me about 2 months to play somewhat well. I had to take it 1/2 measure at a time. I was practicing other pieces at the same time, but still...yes, I have to agree that triplet part is "frantic."

We are looking forward to your recording. Lord only knows when I'll be ready.

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Just bumping. I am still going to need help with that 4th page. Right now, I just stare at it and shake my head. eek eek

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I had a setback this weekend in the form of illness. Saturday was completely lost, and Sunday I dragged myself to my concert and practiced a little when I got home, but that was about all I could manage. I'll try again this week.


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#1116192 - 01/23/07 02:58 AM Re: Chopin Nocturne Study Group  
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Just bumping. I am still going to need help with that 4th page. Right now, I just stare at it and shake my head. eek eek

Katleen
I know you can do it.

I'm still checking in periodically, so I will try to help in my own way (whatever that's worth) if you have a problem with something.

Piano Again, sorry to hear about your illness, I hope you are better now.

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I add my condolences to Sarah's, PianoAgain. Hope you are feeling much better.

Thanks, Sarah, for checking in. I have been mentally putting off finishing this nocturne because down deep inside, I think it's going to be a real "Waterloo" for me. But I am so glad to have you around...in case I find myself drowning.

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Today, I play to spend a good portion of my practice time on page 4. I know (I've listened to it 100 times) that it is frantic and sort of crazy and very, very fast. eek

How did you approach this part? Playing and memorizing a couple of measures at a time and then go on to the next? confused

I just need some help with this part.

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Kathleen, are you talking about the beginning of the stretto section (after the main melody appears for the last time) or the section beginning with the melody in the left hand and the arpeggios in the right?


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Hi PA:
I'm speaking of the "molto legato e stretto section, about measure 80 to the end.

Now I know why they call it molto stretto because it produces "much stress" to the person trying to play it.

I am holding my own all the way through (which is an absolute miracle to me), but this last section is driving me crazy.

Any help on how to approach it, or perhaps if there is some pattern (I think there is). Anyhow...

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That passage was a bit frustrating because there was no obvious pattern I could find. I did notice:

-The first and third notes of the triplets are usually the same (with several exceptions). You might circle them just to remind yourself which ones. The ones that aren't circled are pretty much a sandwich.
-The sets often start with an octave, and then the notes go inward, meaning the following notes are closer to the center than the ones before, until you hit the next octave, then it goes inward again.

Make sure you use the correct fingering. I didn't because I was lazy and regretted it later when I sped things up. Once you know the notes it's not that bad to play. EDIT: I think it's best to use some wrist rotation as well as finger movement on this passage. When you hit the arpeggios there is a definite pattern and the notes are easier to remember.

Hope that helps, although I'm not sure if it does...

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Thank you so much, Sarah.

Yes, definitely, your advice is extremely helpful. I've started on it and did notice the pattern of which you spoke. The tips about fingering (that's ALWAYS the first thing I write in) and the wrist motion will be VERY helpful.

Thanks again,
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Finally, here it is. There are a few bloopers, but I decided I was going to drive myself crazy trying to get it note perfect.

BTW, I was at a rehearsal yesterday at the home of some music lovers who host concerts in their house, and while we were waiting for some members of the group who were late, I started playing the Nocturne. The lady of the house came in and watched me very carefully, surprised that I could play the piano at all. When I was finished, she said, "Do you know how beautiful that was?" Okay, I'm being self-promoting, but it made me feel good. smile

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Well the lady was right, that was very beautiful! I liked it a lot. It was a very clean interpretation and I felt like I understood the piece when you played it (which says something since I've struggled a lot trying to understand this piece).

You probably get a lot of compliments when you play.

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Dear PA: Your story about the lady who came in and watched you play and then said to you how beautiful it was...was SO RIGHT. Brava! It was wonderful!! Wasn't it worth it all to hear the woman say that to you? I have a feeling that you would agree. You are not self-promoting at all, and you have every right to feel very, very proud of yourself. What an accomplishment!

I was a little spooked because there are certain sections that you play that are exactly the way I hear and play them. However, sadly, I can't quite manage (yet) many other sections that you do, so effortlessly. But I'm determined and I think that sometimes that's all it takes.

Also your story reminded me of the time Chopin was playing in England, and the Prince left his seat and stood next to the piano while Chopin played. Chopin was more thrilled with this than I think he was with much of the applause he received at other times in his life.

I hope to be posting my rendition within a month or two. And I hope I can do it justice as you have done.

Thank you for sharing. heart

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Thank you for the nice comments. I would never have even thought of working on this piece if it hadn't been for your efforts in starting this study group, so thanks for that as well! I've learned a lot from this.


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