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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114496
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I'm slow too. I have most of it up to the key change sort of vaguely playable, but other than the first two sections I have not worked any of it with the metronome. I got A and B up around 90, and I am playing the rest at slow but at least recognizable speed, but with some Einstein qualities.

"And Einstein's insights about the elasticity of Time are old news to any piano student who's ever played a piece without a metronome: easy bits at 138, hard passages at 54, with variable rests between phrases..."--quote from PW member

The C#minor section I have barely looked at. What is the point of that section anyway? It isn't enough difference to be noticeable, it is just different enough to confuse the poor pianist.

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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114497
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Actually, I like the C#minor section. I think it does add to the overall experience when playing through. To me, the tension is just building up to the key change. At the key change everything has come to a head and the intensity of the music goes way up.

I do agree in the sense that I think the C# section is too long. I would possibly have preferred if there were no sections P and O, and therefore no repeat at the end.

I am glad to see that you guys are starting to focus on the good ol' Croat again. Things were really kind of quiet around here....


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114498
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Thanks Opus, Petrof1 and Kawaigirl1 for your supportive comments about my latest recording.

And you're right, it really is great fun to play.

For the last week I've spent all of my time practicing my 3 recital pieces.

Finally, I chose one and submitted it.

So now I can get back to CR and my problem areas, H and Q, and that run just before "I".

As I play the run, I always think about the approaching section "I" and get anxious, and that causes me to mess up.

It's a really easy run, just a G7 arpeggio, but having my hands spread so far apart is awkward.

It's just a question of more practice.

I've been recording all of my practice sessions for the last 2 weeks to overcome fear, sweaty hands, and sticky keys, so I have a recording of the CR at about mm=98, but I don't think I'll post it, unless someone wants it.

Maybe next week I'll have a better performance to post.

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The C#minor section I have barely looked at. What is the point of that section anyway? It isn't enough difference to be noticeable, it is just different enough to confuse the poor pianist.
I love the C# minor section, especially P and Q.

P has that change in rhythm and Q has a much different sound to it.

And it certainly feels much different in the hands.

Mel


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114499
07/28/06 11:48 AM
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Mel,

I am happy to listen to anything that gets posted. No pressure, though.

Funny how you get nervouse leading up to the famous "I" section. That part typically doesn't bother me. I get nervous as I am going through "I" which frequently makes me stumble at "J" and usually either miss with the right hand or forget to even move my left hand and I stall.

Not sure when it happened, but I have unconcsiously changed my right hand fingering through "I". It is not good and I actually have spent a few days not playing this piece until I am ready to fix the damage I have done. Somehow I have slipped over to playing the Bb with my thumb and then trying to slide up and play the C with my thumb too. I guess I am just going to have to slow it back down and retrain my mind and fingers to play it right.

OT ramble...
How have you been going through the recording process? When I am doing that I typically set to record each time I play through and then erase before I move on to the next attempt. This seems to recreate the tension for me every time I play through... Maybe that is good, maybe that is bad... I get better takes if I just record an entire session, but then I have to go and listen to it all over again, but that gets tedious and usually not worth my time. If only I had my own sound engineer who had to do all that for me.


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114500
07/31/06 08:23 AM
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Dean, my experience with recording is pretty much the same as yours.

I record for 20 minutes, take a few minutes break, open up a new record window and record for about 20 minutes more, etc.

If the piece went really well, I'll stop playing and cut, paste, and export it, then get back to practicing.

When I finish practicing, I have as many as 5 open record windows in the tray, one for each piece.

Having to fish something out of a 20-30 min. recording session is not that hard using the scroll bar at the bottom of the page.

I can recognize the frequency patterns of my pieces.

From a 2 hour practice session, I'll save maybe 3 or 4 pieces. Most get deleted after several days and replaced by better takes.

It's a big help listening to some of my practice sessions, not for a measure or 2, but for whole pieces.

Listening to the recordings, I can spot problems that I didn't hear as I was playing, especially with tempos and dynamics.

Yesterday I did listen to 18 minutes of scales, though.

Mel


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114501
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I haven't spent too much time on the CR, but I did record yesterday and I was fairly pleased with my first take of the day.

Except for a few lapses in concentration and uneven touch here and there, which I'll continue to work on, it went pretty well.

The tempo is mm=97, which is what the composer indicates on the score.

My actual tempo seems to vary between 96 and 98.

There are less mistakes in this performance than in my previous posts, and it's my fastest tempo, but it's not as expressive as I would like.

It almost seems too fast to me.

Here it is:


Croatian Rhapsody


Mel


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114502
07/31/06 10:21 AM
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Hi Mel,

To me that was fantastic! Txs for sharing.

I'm only at 3/4 of the way with tempo and making slow progress.

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114503
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Mel:
..it's my fastest tempo, but it's not as expressive as I would like.
Even so Mel, you've set an exceedingly high performance standard. There were some phrases where I held my breath, rapt, listening to this recording.

So very well done, indeed!


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114504
08/03/06 01:51 PM
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Mel, nice job. I am still doubting how expressive this piece can really be at its intended speed. Maybe that is why Huljic didn't really put much dynamic notation in there. I am going to still build up to full speed and see what I think, but I am guessing that once I have it polished will be playing it more in the 82-86 range. Primarily to put a bigger focus on creating a musical experience based on expressiveness instead of sheer speed.

Kawaigirl1: Have you made any recordings yet?

Has anyone been sticking with the Burrows transcription?


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114505
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Kawaigirl1: Have you made any recordings yet?

No recordings yet. I'm learning this piece at a snail pace frown

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114506
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Are Jeff and I the only ones on the slow track here?
I'm definitely on the slow track. I hurt my wrist and I've had to concentrate on the recital piece. Sounds like there are others, too!

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114507
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Incomplete/Slow/Imperfect progress recordings are good too! Personally, I just like to hear how other musicians are interpretting the different elements.

I can't imagine trying to play this with a hurt anything, though. Do be very careful while still healing. Of course, piano should be great rehab for hand and wrist injuries.


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114508
08/06/06 09:12 AM
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It's been a while since I've looked at this thread, but I see that I've missed a lot!

Mel, as always, you're flying ahead! Sounds really good. If you can get it up to that tempo, then getting it the way you want it, at that tempo, is just a step away. Was that recording from a week ago? I'd love to hear where you're at now.

I, on the other hand, am definitely on the slow track, but really enjoying that slow track.


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114509
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During the last week, I've only played through the CR a few times and have not practiced any of my difficult measures, so I don't think there's any progress to report.

Mel


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Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114510
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Add me to the slow track list. Likely won't be up to speed for quite awhile.

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114511
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Well, we're back from Deutschland. Anthony signed himself up to play at church on the 20th and he plans to do the his take on the rhapsody. Yeah, real church music. I can't wait to see the reaction. laugh

He's had six weeks off the piano, so he'd better bust some butt to polish it off.

The week after that we're signed up to do a piano-French Horn duo. These mini-recitals are a great way to deal with performance anxiety. At least that's true for him. For me ...well.... I'll just panic.

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114512
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Hmmm, am I resurrecting a dead thread? :p

The performance of the Rhapsody went very well. The church was packed and he got a nice round of applause. It was offertory music, so people actually listened (while they were fleeced).

We may get a chance to record on good equipment tonight. I'll post if we do.

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114513
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I hope you can record.

I'm having a great time over here visualizing the Rhapsody during offertory. It would never fly with the Episcopalians around here, let me tell you! laugh

In all seriousness, there is an Episcopalian church in Tucson (St. Philips in the Hills) that has an absolutely fantastic music director and music programs. They are scholars and performance artists. The music at their services is, without doubt, some of the finest I've ever heard.

I'm sure Piano*Son and the Croatian Rhapsody would fit right in! smile

Re: Croatian Rhapsody Learning Group #1114514
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Hey Nina, we DO go to an Episcopalian church, but not to the more traditional (staid??) Bruton Parish in downtown Williamsburg.

Our music director is an NEC grad. She encourages the kids to perform in public and we've got some good ones at the church.

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That must have been a rousing offertory. Definitely looking forward to an updated recording of Anthony's version. Congrats to you, Anthony, on your live performance.

I had been thinking about bumping this thread for a couple of days. I don't think it is dead, just resting. I imagine we were all relaxed while getting ready for last weeks recital. Perhaps it is time time to gear up again. I do have everything fully learned, and I can play it up to speed without too many hiccups. However, I have been trying to just keep on drilling the song into my mind and fingers, because I can never play it well my first time through. I want to be able to build up to playing it right the first time. I think it is just going to take some more time and familiarity. My fingers really just have to warm up to playing this piece.


Dean
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