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bench height: including cushion or not? #1101224
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It was said that the recommended bench height is about 18~19 inches. Does this include the extra height from the cushion? For example, I'm sitting on a bench of 18.5 inch height, but the cushion on it takes an inch. Then when I sit on it, effectively it's a 17.5 inch height bench. Is such a bench OK?

The reason I'm asking this question is that I just use my computer chair for bench. Some benches are more expensive than my DP... frown The chair is a bit low, so I had to put a thick cushion on it.

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Re: bench height: including cushion or not? #1101225
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If you're back doesn't hurt and you can jam on the piano comfortably for hours. Then it's the right height. wink


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Isn't bench height determined by your own anatomy? There are guidelines somewhere how far you should be from the pian, how your feet should be to the floor, what the angle of your arms end up being so that you don't have to raise your shoulders, arch your back or compensate otherwise for an uncomfortable height becuase you are tall, short, have short legs, tall torso, monkey arms or whatever. I think a search will bring up something of that nature.

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All I know is, I don't like the height of the typical piano bench. For home, I have two adjustable benches. I have them both all the way up, at about 21 inches. At school, they have an extra cushion in the studios "for kids".... I use it. smile

Re: bench height: including cushion or not? #1101228
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I think the height of the keytops in relation to the bench must be considered--one piano may be as much as an inch or two higher or lower than another. Some pianos I need a cushion, some I don't.

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Ye Gods...
doesn't it all depend on what feels comfortable ?
This is an almost infinitely variable thing from one person to the next...

All depends on..
Physical stature of the person...
Height of the keyboard (above ground level)..
Height of whatever you happpen to be sitting on..

It's either right or wrong.. depending on how it feels for you...

Having said that..
Slight variations in seat height can have a significant effect on your posture and hand/wrist/arm position.. and this is what is important..

you might need to experiment a bit to find what's best for you..

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I must say, in 40 years of playing that's one thing I've never measured.

Also I don't think I'd ever use a computer chair that presumably has castors(?) to roll about on.

What Frycek said...
get a cheap adjustable bench off amazon.


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Quite sorry -I've removed my post. Now if you will edit yours the offending word will be gone.


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Re: bench height: including cushion or not? #1101233
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Originally posted by sun4384:
It was said that the recommended bench height is about 18~19 inches. Does this include the extra height from the cushion? For example, I'm sitting on a bench of 18.5 inch height, but the cushion on it takes an inch. Then when I sit on it, effectively it's a 17.5 inch height bench. Is such a bench OK?

The reason I'm asking this question is that I just use my computer chair for bench. Some benches are more expensive than my DP... frown The chair is a bit low, so I had to put a thick cushion on it.
There's no standard height.
Adjusting the height of the bench for comportable and efficient playing is often overlooked and yet is an easy to change factor wich makes a huge different.

If you sit at the wrong height, in order to have your playing apparaturs in a confortable range of motion you will do all sort of compensative adjustments like raising the shoulder, dropping the wrist, hunching the back, leaning forward ... all compensations that require extra muscular strength, decrease your resistance and inhibit the good use of the muscles.

A good height is the one that while allowing you sit on your butt bones with a straight (not straightned) back and to have your upper arm hang freely from the shoulder socket, leaves your forearm parallel to the ground and allows you wrist to be in a straight line with the forearm and the back of the hand while in a playing position with you hand in a natural fingers arched shape on the white keys. The angle degree between the upper arm and the forearm should be around 110°

Since you don't own an adjustable bench you need to either raise the chair with pieces of woods or sit on beethoven sonatas.

Re: bench height: including cushion or not? #1101234
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I wonder, it would be great to find a piano chair with an adjustable seat. Back support is what would make me happy.

My piano bench is not the right height and I have two cushions on it - not the best.

Adjustable benches are expensive - but comfortable. Three pluses, I have excellent teacher who just happens to have a Steinway with an adjustable bench. Oh well, we can dream.

Happy Valtentines Day everyone. 3hearts

Re: bench height: including cushion or not? #1101235
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Originally posted by Laura D:
I think the height of the keytops in relation to the bench must be considered--one piano may be as much as an inch or two higher or lower than another. Some pianos I need a cushion, some I don't.
I used the guide from The Balanced Pianist . I found this guide very helpful as I found it ideal to cup my fingers. The page has great examples what are good postures and what to avoid...

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