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#1090474 - 10/20/07 12:36 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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I feel quite ill at ease with the segregational overtones as engendered in terms like "elite." Anyone could learn an etude given sufficient applied effort.

That said, maybe the Etude idea is not such a great one. The Preludes pushed us. We bent but didn't break. Etudes might just break us...

If the Pianist's Corner bunch were more fun and less serious, we might post such an idea there.


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#1090475 - 10/20/07 01:13 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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I feel quite ill at ease with the segregational overtones as engendered in terms like "elite." Anyone could learn an etude given sufficient applied effort.

That said, maybe the Etude idea is not such a great one. The Preludes pushed us. We bent but didn't break. Etudes might just break us...

If the Pianist's Corner bunch were more fun and less serious, we might post such an idea there. However, I believe that over there such a recital would looked down upon as Bohemian and in poor taste...
As far as I know the majority of the etudes are considered grade 8. Of the twenty four preludes seven are considered Grade 8 and a whopping six are considered Grade 10! At thirteen that's over half of the preludes as difficult or more difficult than the majority of the etudes. I think if we divide the etudes into Op 10 and op 25 and allow a year for up to 12 of us to learn one of op 10 (Oct 2008) and 2 years to learn one of op 25 (reputed to be harder) (Oct 2009)it could be managed and should go on concurently with the mazurka/waltz/nocturne recital since there is more variation in grade level among those pieces and those not quite ready to take the etude plunge would still have two recitals to participate in that year.


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#1090476 - 10/20/07 01:15 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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In my RCM repertoire book all of the Etudes are listed as performer's ARCT diploma level.


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#1090477 - 10/20/07 01:18 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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You make a strong case Frycek. On the one hand, we take this to the PC and some folks here won't even participate - assuming such an idea is even received at PC (I wonder about those folks sometimes!) Remember most of them probably receive ample opportunities to perform live, and therefore an online recital may not carry the same appeal as for those of us who get very few such opportunities.

On the other, we keep it here and break the Etudes into two groups. Interesting thought...


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#1090478 - 10/20/07 01:34 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Originally posted by Theowne:
In my RCM repertoire book all of the Etudes are listed as performer's ARCT diploma level.
At a professional's performance speed they probably all are. I think all we'd be aiming for here is a respectable amateur performance. The following is from Piano World's Graded Repertoire chart (the same place I found the levels for the Preludes). It probably only lists the most accessible one. I would assume the rest are 8-10. I know that those in Op 25 are considered to be harder overall than Op 10.

8 Chopin Etude Op. 10 no. 03
8 Chopin Etude Op. 10 no. 06
8 Chopin Etude Op. 10 no. 09
8 Chopin Etude Op. 10 no. 12
8 Chopin Etude Op. 25 no. 01
8 Chopin Etude Op. 25 no. 02
8 Chopin Etude Op. 25 no. 07
8 Chopin Etude Op. 25 no. 09


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#1090479 - 10/20/07 01:52 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Eleanor Bailie (in her book Chopin: a graded practical guide) rates all the Chopin Etudes as VA (Very Advanced) except for the following, which are rated as Level 8 or 8+:
Level 8...10/6, 25/2
Level 8+...10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 25/1, 25/7, 25/9.
This agrees with Frycek's list.


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#1090480 - 10/20/07 02:52 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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#1090481 - 10/20/07 04:55 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
#1090482 - 10/20/07 05:06 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Hi Kathleen. I've deleted the above post - not because of anything you said; rather because of something I learned about the Etude mentioned.


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#1090483 - 10/20/07 05:11 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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If it doesn't matter, I'd really like to do op. 25 first. I don't really know though. It seems rather hard to manage.


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#1090484 - 10/20/07 05:12 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Which one would you like to learn?


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#1090485 - 10/20/07 05:24 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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No problem, Greg...I might as well delete mine also.

I forgot to mention that I do have a major project that will take me a couple of years. The 48.1 is still waiting in the wings for me. I DO intend to play this beauty, one day...I do hope in this lifetime.

Kathleen


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#1090486 - 10/20/07 05:27 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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I'm not completely sure at the moment, but the recital hasn't been formally announced yet. Perhaps I'll ask the guys in the PC, but then again, they'll just tell me 'If you can play them, you don't need to be asking' or something like that.

Anyway, 25.3 and 25.5 are quite underplayed, so maybe I'll do one of them. But I'd also like the challenge of 11 or 12. So many Etudes to choose from... But from what discussion I've heard, I'm not even sure if we're doing this.


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#1090487 - 10/20/07 05:33 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Also, you mentioned 25/10. Most of the challenge with it is physical rather than mental - it is one of my many "unfinished" projects, from back when I was not much older than you. t does not require a delicate touch, but does demand strength. Given you have large hands I think you could render a powerful performance of it if you wanted.


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#1090488 - 10/20/07 05:47 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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So if no one else is interested we three could form a pact to be the "curtain raiser" for the Mazurka Marathon in Oct. 2008. Let's try to leave PC out of this, just keep it low key and low pressure, no attempt to cover all the etudes. I'm sure a few more "Devoteds" will join us if no one else will. Liszt Addict said he would. I've been working on 10/12 since 12/05 and it's almost in the polishing stage now. That one's my baby.


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#1090489 - 10/20/07 05:57 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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That is sounding like a more achieveable goal. I learned something today about my etude of choice that could present a psychological barrier...


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#1090490 - 10/20/07 06:04 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Perhaps I should do 25/10. It's well suited to my messy and loud technique. I might butcher the middle section though. But I'm sure I have the stamina from the Alkan Allegro Barbaro.

And Frycek - I think you'll do a wonderful job with 10/12.


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#1090491 - 10/20/07 06:25 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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I'd be happy to do 25/1. I already played it for one of our recitals but it still needs to be polished and brought up to tempo. Polishing is always lots of fun.


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I'm working on op.10 no.3 and op.25 no.1, can do either one (if jazzyprof is doing the latter than I'd have to do the first)


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#1090493 - 10/20/07 06:29 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Wow! We're getting a lot of takers.

I *suck* at polishing, that's probably why my stuff is messy.

Is it just me, or is the recital site down? It keeps timing out when I try and access it.


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#1090494 - 10/20/07 07:04 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Cannot get to it either...

If we exceeded 500GB data transfer we would be locked out. Also the IP address (http://216.185.128.151/) gives a "site temporarily unavailable" message. I really doubt there have been 500GB of downloads in four days...

I can get to its FTP.

The problem will likely correct itself in an hour or so.


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#1090495 - 10/20/07 07:08 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Tenatively for Etudes, we have, in opus order:

Theowne: 10/3
Frycek: 10/12
jprof: 25/1
gerg: 25/6
playadom: 25/10

Are we up to it? eek

We have a year.


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#1090496 - 10/20/07 07:13 PM Re: Online Chopin Prelude Recital TODAY! :)  
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Tenatively for Etudes, we have, in opus order:

Theowne: 10/3
Frycek: 10/12
jprof: 25/1
gerg: 25/6
playadom: 25/10

Are we up to it? eek

We have a year.
I'm going to go to the sheetmusicarchive and check out the score.

Ugh.... I hate this IMSLP issue...


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We're up to it. Do you think it might be time to start our own thread?


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It may be silly but I am trepidatious about that, Frycek. Our little discussion here is somewhat sheltered because, by now, everyone else on PW is filtering out all the Preludes-related stuff.

Will send you a PM.


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