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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #2094341
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Anyone else find the jumping around with "The Stranger" a tad awkward like me? lol


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #2094345
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I am stuck at Little Brown Jug. Will play other thing around before comeback with the book.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: mattroilanh_tt] #2094355
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Hi Matt,
I found Little Brown Jug very trying but eventually battled my way thru it. The advice of many to play the song very slowly gradually increasing the speed until you eventually reach the desired tempo is what I'd recommend as that's what helped me.

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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Alux] #2094367
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Thank Alux. I am doing what you said but progressing slowly. And I don't like this piece too. It is the other reason to slow me down. I practice it 5 min a day. It may take me 1 - 2 weeks to finish it.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: mattroilanh_tt] #2094396
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Funny this one came up this morning. I just finished my recording. It's not the most perfect version, but I am going with it:

Little Brown Jug (https://www.box.com/s/g7qub394tjfupje2io4c)


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: scorpio] #2096519
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Nice one with Little Brown Jug. I can't seem to get through it perfectly, but I am playing it a bit faster than you.

For the past week I have been exploring the Masterwork Classics book. I showed it to my teacher at this week's lesson and we used it the whole time. I've also been working through my newly acquired Mikrokosmos and Technical Skills books.

Tonight, I decided to sit down with the lesson book again. I've really got Good People down fairly well along with the other jazz stuff. I can't seem to hammer out a good Chiapanecas, and played through Auld Lang Syne several times this afternoon, so I moved on to O Solo Mio.

I had to take it very slow at first to get the timing down. I've been setting metronome to 60 when first sight reading through a piece. This piece is "moderately slow" anyway, but after about an hour, I am able to play it through with no mistakes at intended speed.

This song, Good People, and Auld Lang Syne have been great to play. I finally feel like I am playing real music. The variety of chords along with my first arpeggiated chord is refreshing.

Up next: Jericho.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #2096571
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Thanks Daniel.

For "Little Brown Jug" I was playing at about 120 bpm. That is the recommended/calculated tempo that someone posted on this thread several months ago (post 1985110): http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1985110/Alfred_s_Basic_and_ALL_in_One_.html
For "Chiapanecas", I was working at 148 bpm (the posted tempo was 152). I use the chart as a guideline.

And without further ado, I present:

Chiapanecas (https://www.box.com/s/pwswpssj1ejunqi88alw)


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: scorpio] #2096659
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your Chiapanecas sounds very good scorpio, tempo was very well controlled.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #2096796
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Now that I listen to your Little Brown Jug again, it does seem to be the tempo used by my teacher. What piano are you using? It sounds very similar to my Yamaha S31.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Daniel Corban] #2096802
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Originally Posted by Daniel Corban
What piano are you using? It sounds very similar to my Yamaha S31.

Yamaha P-155. I love it!


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: mattroilanh_tt] #2098539
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Still on Book #1. I think my left and right brain hemispheres are finally beginning to communicate. Currently doing Auld Lang Syne.


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BTW I meant to mention that this simple little book has helped me quite a bit: A Dozen A Day by Edna-Mae Burnam.

For supplementary pieces I've been using The Complete Piano Player Omnibus Edition by Kenneth Baker (ISBN 9780825624391) and Alfred's Basic Adult Country Piano Book.


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Output has slowed a lot in the last few weeks, but I'm still plugging along. I'm working on Go Down Moses now. Here are some videos I've posted in the last month or so:

Why Am I Blue?
Chiapanecas
O Sole Mio
Jericho
The Stranger


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I just got through Jericho today. I haven't done much with my book, since I have still been focusing on the Masterwork book as well as Mikrokosmos and Alfred's Technical Skills. I did go back and play through the previous few songs and had only a few bad moments, so I think I am improving steadily, especially in regard to playing without looking at the keyboard.


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OK, so im the new old guy. I started Alfreds Book 1 and hit the dreaded Blow the Man Down within two weeks. Brick wall describes this perfectly for me.

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Blow The Man down unfortunately introduces something new and hard -- different rhythms off the beat in the LH vs. the RH -- without any preparation whatsoever.

Let me know if you'd like me to post some suggestions on learning how to play this.


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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Blow The Man down unfortunately introduces something new and hard -- different rhythms off the beat in the LH vs. the RH -- without any preparation whatsoever.

Let me know if you'd like me to post some suggestions on learning how to play this.


Due to the brick wall effect of that song, I seriously thought I had been doing something wrong as I had breezed through the book up until that point. I then moved onto another method which is a little less of a steep incline. My basis was that I would do all the basics again(no bad thing was my reasoning) and once I get to the level and skill for playing Blow the Man Down then I would be more capable of tackling it and moving on with both methods.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated as im sure im not the only one who has bruises on their forehead from that particular wall.

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Welcome to the forum Boostybleep, I can't comment on that particular piece but had a similar experience in book 2 of the Alfred series. I should say I have had more than one piece which really stumped me but one in particular was my brick wall for a long while. Unfortunately any method book with introduce something completely new which is not or could not be built upon from earlier works.

You are not alone in hitting the wall on a piece, my advice is to learn the piece hands separate until you know the piece extremely well. For the bass of this one it is just practicing the chord change so it becomes automatic. When ready put the hands together and play extremely slowly. Eventually it will come, may take a while but will come. Should not stop you going on with the book but keep coming back to this one until you can manage it for next time you encounter a similar problem it will be easier to deal with

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One of the good things a teacher can do is to prepare for these kinds of new things, and to break them down into smaller parts.

I'm not a teacher, but here is one way to break down problems like this into smaller parts:

One thing to do is certainly to practice hands separate, so you can play each part with great ease. I think that beyond that, there is an issue of coordinating hands together in a particular alternating rhythm.

A few exercises to start:

Play the piece veeeeeerrrrryyyy slowly, without regard to precise rhythm, but just playing both hands in the correct relation to each other: either both hands together, or one hand plays a note or chord while the other sustains its notes.

Tap the rhythm, slooooooowly, tapping the LH rhythm with the LH and the RH rhythm with the RH. Write counts 1 to 8 in each bar, one number per eighth note. Say the numbers out loud as you tap. (Not silently: saying them out loud makes the count physical in a way that silent counting does not.)

Don't do the whole piece over and over like this. Instead, isolate the troublesome measure or couple of beats and repeat it. As you get good at that, expand your selection slightly on both sides.

Once you have the feel of getting just the correct rhythm alone, add the notes back in. Veeeeeeery slowly, using the 1 to 8 count, play the notes in rhythm. Did I mention slowly? It might take several seconds per eighth note, that's how slow I mean. Try singing the numbers to the melody as you play. I find this helpful, but some people find it overwhelming, so I'll leave it as optional.

Gradually build up speed, but only as it is easy to do. A faster tempo will come easily when you are sufficiently comfortable with the notes and rhythm. Never struggle and sacrifice ease and accuracy for speed.


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In a month from now you will be able to flip back to that song and play it with minimal effort. Personally, I got a little stuck around Good People, but now I feel like I am on a roll and can play pretty much anything in this book without too much trouble and an hour of practice.

Today I polished off Go Down Moses, Greensleeves, and Scarborough Fair. I don't even know what is after that, but I'm sure I'll be playing again later. I find the latter two great songs to practice pedalling. I'm trying to maintain the constant sound, but sometimes I still find myself lifting the pedal too early.


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