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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #1995454
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Hi all,

I just switch from the Alfred's basic book to the all-in-one book. I finished the "When the Saints come marching in" in both LH and RH. My question is, even though I can play it, how would I know I'm doing it correctly with this song and other songs? I did watch some YouTube video on the songs for this book but how would I know if I'm doing everything correctly without a teacher? My daughter will be taking piano lessons next year and I plan on sitting in to learn a bit also.

Also, what level will I need to be in order to play "The River Flows In You?" I just love that song. I looked at the music sheets and I can only play the intro for the time being.

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A good way is to record your songs and post a link for the people of this forum to hear it. Then we will be able offer advice.

The River Flows in You seems like a difficult piece, at least as it is played here. You might find a more simplified version, but I think it would take years of learning to be at a level to play something like this.


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Originally Posted by BeccaBb
Wow Edward your just clipping along! smile How many pieces are you working on at once? (Just curious cause I'm wondering if I have too little or too much...)


I'm creeping along at the moment Beccab!
At the moment two new ones- Alouette from Alfred's and Dvorak's Largo from my Classical "really easy" piano book. Only it's not that easy LOL. I have got Alouette reasonably well- working on perfecting the timing. Not done much on Largo recently as started a new job and been scared to play Piano cos lady next door played CDs very loud at 3am til 6.35 am last Saturday and when I had to get up out of bed at 4am to complain she said it was the same as me playing Piano!!! I said I never played at 4 am! I didn't play Piano til today. It isn't the same cos I don't play after 10 pm and usually 6 pm ( no later than 10 pm) or the afternoon and only for 30 mins at a time. She was always friendly before ( would have coffee with her) and said she couldn't even hear my Piano. I was scared she'd knock on the wall so played very softly!

I also play the previous pages in Alfred's so as to keep improving and to not forget them and also an easy (ish) version of Beethoven's sonata no 25.

I went to a concert at the Liverpool Philharmonic last night- my friend and I saw the brilliant Korean pianist
H J Lim play Rachmaninov!!! It was epic!!


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I would like to be able to play a song completely through without people making excuses to leave the house.


Good way of getting rid of unwanted guests though LOL!

Welcome islandbabe and best wishes on your musical journey!


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Welcome also to Dave and Dingdong ( this sign in name makes me smile- reminds me of Leslie Phillips...)


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: EdwardianPiano] #1995579
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Originally Posted by EdwardianPiano
Welcome also to Dave and Dingdong ( this sign in name makes me smile- reminds me of Leslie Phillips...)


This nickname is the name of a Japanese animation (Doraemon) played in HK. It was my favorite animation growing up and has now becomes my daughter's favorite. :-)

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I'm not familiar with animations/anime myself but I have heard they are huge in Japan.

Dingdong still reminds me of Leslie Phillips- he was funny in those 1960s films!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV0lKD3KPsc

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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #1995608
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Thanks for the welcome everyone smile I can see improvement in my fingers already (day three now), and can nearly do 2 octaves of the C Maj scale both hands at once evenly. Once I've nailed that, bring on the next scale to practice! Alfreds is nice and progressive also, though only very slowly getting the hang of my two hands doing slightly different things.

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When I practice Mary Anne, I'm having issues with left hand tension. Both my pinkie and my thumb want to come up. I've tried going really slow, moving closer, moving farther, leaning in, and seat adjustment all to no avail.

So I've videotaped myself to try to see what's going on. I think I'm dropping my wrist. Not much but enough to be messing it up. Could you guys watch it and let me know what you see as a potential problem going on here? There is no piano sound because it's late. You can hear me kinda talking to myself and the keys though.. LOL

Thanks ahead of time.
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Becca,

If you have a teacher you should definitely ask, as "flying fingers" is very common.

I'm no teacher, but I did notice that you hold your left pinkie straight out and play notes with it like that too. Have you tried keeping it in a relaxed natural curve like your other fingers?


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I can't see your thumb, but your pinky doesn't curve like your other fingers. I agree that your wrist is likely the culprit here. I would suggest trying to play it with your wrist raised in an exaggerated (but not uncomfortable!) fashion (not permanently, just as a test). Play it a few times like that and see if that makes the tension worse or better. Then try again with your wrists slightly lower. Keep lowering your wrists and see if you can find a sweet spot of minimum tension. Also, You seem to be playing pretty close to the black keys. You might also try moving your fingers closer to the edge of the keyboard (your fingers have more leverage on the keys that way, and it requires less force to depress them). If you simply put your hands where you normally play and raise your wrists your fingers will naturally come forward a bit. So try to isolate these experiments so that you're sure which is helping more.

Anyway, hope that works for you. possibly worth a try in any case.


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Thanks everyone!

After watching to video I've started to play the note, then go back to a relaxed position, then play the next note. That is helping.

I've also raised my wrist and it is helping. I haven't lowered it yet. I will try playing a wee bit back further on the keys too.

Jim: I don't have a teacher. Raising my wrist though it letting me curve it, so I believe it's a wrist issue.

I'll keep everyone updated as I trudge along with this!



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Badger - I'm in the same boat. I bought a DP for my son who started taking lessons a couple months ago. I figured the best way to keep him interested (and to get my money's worth from the new DP) is to learn to play along with him so I picked up Alfred's Self-Teaching Book 1 for myself. I started about two weeks ago and I'm having a lot of fun despite what is starting to feel like tendinitis in my right thumb.

Things have progressed smoothly and I have worked my way up to When the Saints Go Marching In, but I'm at a roadblock there. When the RH has a half note while the LH has a quarter rest followed by a quarter note chord (i.e., chord ends at same time of RH half note) ... I just can't wrap my brain around it. I can read the music and my fingers find the keys just fine but I can't play it and without changing tempo. Part of it may be a dexterity issue but I am working on that and it's steady improving. I think the real issue for me is I just can't 'hear' what it's supposed to sound like or grasp how that bit in the harmony fits into the melody. Meh, maybe it will just click if I play it another hundred times.

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Hi Anarkey! Welcome to the group.

If your having trouble playing that section at tempo, then play it very very slowly until you get the feel of it right. Don't play through the whole song repeatedly, break it down into little sections and play it slow until your very comfortable with it. Once you have all the sections in your hands (smooth and even) then try putting the sections together, slowly. After you have been able to add them all together and are still even and smooth, then slowly bring your tempo up.

Also to hear what it should sound like, if you go to the beginning of this thread you will find a list of resources including links to many of the songs we find in our books. smile

Hope that helps some.


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Becca - Thanks for the feedback. I have been using the methods you suggest but for some reason this one thing is eluding me for now. When I get to the parts where the harmony is a quarter played into the end of the melody half note, I change the tempo. It doesn't seem to matter how slow my tempo is to start ... when I hit that part I slow down even more. Maybe I need to visualize it a bit more and then just bang my way through it with [even more] repetition.

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Well that is good. Okay let's really isolate this. Are you on the first song (rh melody) or the second one (left hand melody?) Which measure are you stuck on?


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Okay I think I know where you at at. 2nd bar, 6th and 7th measure.
The trickiness with this is the rests. So slow down for just those two measures and count out loud, playing very slowly. (I had the same problem at first.)

It does seem to feel odd at first. Keep doing those two measures, at a super slow speed for 5 minutes a day. It will sort itself out just by doing that!


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Thanks again. Maybe it would be easier if I could count and play at the same time wink

Seriously, though, I don't think it is a rhythm issue so much as just having trouble with taking this next step where the harmony hand is acting a little more independently -- i.e., harder than playing full note chords accompanying quarter/half melodies. FWIW, I've worked on the song in both versions (RH melody and LH melody) and have the same issue with both. Looks like repetition is the remedy. I'll probably just pause at this point of the book and work on that and keep playing the other songs from Jingle Bells to Saints.

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Originally Posted by AnarKey
I'm having a lot of fun despite what is starting to feel like tendinitis in my right thumb.

Caution! Caution! Caution! Big red warning flag! You don't want to develop injury. Work on identifying what motions or tensions are causing pain to your thumb. Are you holding too much tension in your thumb? Are you twisting it? Something else? How are you using your right thumb differently from your left thumb? Then change how you're using or holding your thumb, to avoid pain.


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