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I've dabbled with this a little bit, so I'd like to get in on this. I don't think I can ever play it up to tempo, but we'll see!

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I played this at a recital last Winter, but have become a bit rusty. I've always had a bit of a problem with evenness in some areas, but I'll work on it over the next few months.

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Please count me in. All these learning groups are killing me, I joined too many and have too little practice time. But this one is in the "Applause" book I just ordered so how can I resist?

But no practice time this weekend. We leave this afternoon to drive a van load of boys to a karate competition in Iowa.

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I'm not planning on playing it at tempo. I am, after all, an Adagio Babe.

But I'd like to learn the notes again.

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[b] What metronome mark are we shooting for?
Lets shoot for 200 if thats ok with everybody.
We are going to get an enormous amount of applause if we play this in full tempo in front of people.
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At a quarter note=200, that would mean 13 notes per second!

I'll give myself an enormous amount of applause if I play this in full tempo in front of me.

I agree that a marking of prestissimo would be mm=200, but that is fast.

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I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough

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What's the tempo of the version Yamaha G3 & P-80
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Is that about 160 (I am afraid we are supposed to play it faster than that)?


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I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough
MM=150-160 is an Allegro.

So yes, it's fast enough if the piece is marked Allegro.

But it is not; it's marked Prestissimo.

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Thats just what Kreisler said,

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I'm not trying to be argumentative, just stressing how fast prestissimo is.

Mike's wonderful recording is at a tempo of mm=120, or 8 notes per second.

Geek's terrific video is at mm=150, or 10 notes per second.

Both sound very fast.

The fastest that I can play a scale evenly, up and down 4 octaves is mm=160, or 10.7 notes per second.

Since a scale is the simplest thing one can play, I'm having a hard time imagining playing this piece at mm=200.

But it could be great fun to try.

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Dannylux did you want to join???
I might have forgot to add you.

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I can play the song at 100 evenly
How about every one esle?

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I'm all over the place right now since I'm just getting back into the piece, so I'll take it slowly to concentrate on evenness and the correct dynamics.

I'll report back in a week or so after I recover from my nerve ablation procedure on the right side of my neck (!) frown

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I can play the song at 100 evenly
How about every one esle?
I'll start sometime this week. I'll first try to understand what's going on by reading the sheet with a recording.

Also, I first thought that this was a piece of the J.S. Bach.. It seems it isn't.. Who's this guy? One of his sons?

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I'll also start this week or this weekend. I'm not sure what my current well-controlled-tempo is, but I'll test myself & report back later this week or this weekend.

I think we're supposed to get a lot of rain in North Carolina this weekend so it will be a good weekend for playing the piano.


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Well, I brought it up! I don't think tempi are that precisely defined (even though you may see that number on your metronome.)

Wikipedia says:
"Can tempo terms be defined with the metronome?

Most musicians would agree that it is not possible to give beats per minute (BPM) equivalents for these terms; the actual number of beats per minute in a piece marked allegro, for example, will depend on the music itself. A piece consisting mainly of minims (half notes) can be played much more quickly in terms of BPM than a piece consisting mainly of semi-quavers (sixteenth notes) but still be described with the same word.
Metronome manufacturers usually do assign BPM values to the traditional terms, but these values are by no means correct for every piece."

Prestissimo is qualitatively defined as "as fast as possible".

I think MM100 IS possible for "Adult Beginner Hanger-ons". (No way is this a real beginner's piece!)

MM100 will be my goal for now.


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Also, I first thought that this was a piece of the J.S. Bach.. It seems it isn't.. Who's this guy? One of his sons?
Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach or CPE Bach was one of many sons of Bach. One of only three the write music.

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[b] I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough
MM=150-160 is an Allegro.

So yes, it's fast enough if the piece is marked Allegro.

But it is not; it's marked Prestissimo.

Mel [/b]
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I started yesterday. It seems it will be hard to memorize it.. Also, it sounds nice even when played slow.

But I'm not sure what's going on in the piece. Could somebody explain it maybe?

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I'm having a problem. My problem is with the first measure on the second page and also with the fourth line of the second page. (This is on the two page version that's at the first of this thread. Mine actually is three pages.) How do you play this? I'm playing the left hand chords with my left hand staccatoing over my right hand.

We got back on Sunday from the out of town karate competition in time for me to go to hear my oldest granddaughter at a late afternoon piano recital. One of the older students played Solfeggietto and very fast, too.

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