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#1059012 - 03/15/07 06:18 PM New Age Artists  
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I'm somewhat new to "new age" music and was wondering what artists people recommend listening to in this genre. So I thought I'd create a thread to list new age artists people recommend listening to. I compiled this initial list from the thread A new New Age thread... .

If anyone has other suggestions / changes to the list just post a reply and I'll edit this list so the complete reference is always at the top.

  • Philip Aaberg
  • Craig Armstrong
  • Jim Brickman
  • Suzanne Ciani
  • Ludovico Einaudi
  • Andre Gagnon
  • Philip Glass
  • Kevin Kern
  • Kostia
  • David Lanz
  • David Nevue
  • Michael Nyman
  • Jon Schmidt
  • Liz Story
  • John Tesh
  • Tiersen
  • Vangelis
  • George Winston
  • Yanni


A bunch listed by Jeanne W in this post below
  • John Boswel
  • Dan Chadburn
  • Peter Kater
  • Keiko Matsui
  • Wayne Gratz
  • Jennifer Thomas
  • Dmitry Krasnoukhov
  • Linda Kerby


Possibly
  • Ligeti
  • Poulenc
  • Stockhausen


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#1059013 - 03/15/07 06:23 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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I'm curious, do the following have any connection to the music people call "new age"?

Ligeti
Poulenc
Stockhausen

? These are constantly in my changer these days, and I think the material seems connected to the concept of new age music...although generally far more complex....

#1059014 - 03/15/07 06:50 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Dare I say John Tesh??, BTW, his wife connie selleca is HOT!

#1059015 - 03/15/07 06:58 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Hey J. Mark, since we know you're a lefty, I'm interested in your list. I tried a little Stockhausen on iTunes and it sounds like stuff my wife will definitely kill me if I get. Perhaps you should recommend a couple of specific albums.

And haven't we found a new word for "New Age?" That always just seems like synths droning on for minutes or worse, jazzy electronic heck music. Like what you'd hear on Mars if Wal-Mart tried to create a luxury resort.

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#1059016 - 03/15/07 08:15 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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You forgot Ludovico Einaudi!

"New age" is a stupid name indeed, but I can't think of a better label for it that works.


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#1059017 - 03/15/07 08:17 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Maybe it's my age and that I've been used to New Age as a label for so long, but it doesn't bother me any more than most labels do. I'm not a big fan of classifying music as some of my favorite artists are all over the map in style, so putting them in one category is unfair and may put some people off. OTOH, it gives a starting point for discussion.


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#1059018 - 03/15/07 08:18 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Poulenc... Hmmm, I guess I can sort of see it.


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#1059019 - 03/15/07 08:24 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Didn't mean to make you think I was put off by your New Age catagory. Please proceed! wink I just think of us piano enthusists as enjoying tasteful, sometimes atmospheric, hopefully somewhat melodic music and it's rarely what I think of as new age. New age is the sound you hear when they encounter a mysterious, lush, green new planet on Star Trek.

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Hey J. Mark, since we know you're a lefty, I'm interested in your list. I tried a little Stockhausen on iTunes and it sounds like stuff my wife will definitely kill me if I get. Perhaps you should recommend a couple of specific albums.

And haven't we found a new word for "New Age?" That always just seems like synths droning on for minutes or worse, jazzy electronic heck music. Like what you'd hear on Mars if Wal-Mart tried to create a luxury resort.
Well, understand I'm just now getting exposed to these composers, so I don't know very much. So I just bought collections, mostly. I have Ligeti's complete piano works recorded by Frederik Ullen, Poulenc complete works for piano by Erik Parkin, and Stockhausen's Klavierstucke, Aloys Kontarsky. These are all very good, imo.

But...why would your wife kill you for buying this stuff? Sounds quite dramatic. I suspect the composers would be pleased!

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Poulenc... Hmmm, I guess I can sort of see it.
Ok...now what's *that* supposed to mean? confused

#1059022 - 03/15/07 08:36 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Yeah, for my wife - dramatic = annoying. I've been killing her with classical lately. It's too "dramatic" of a departure from what we usually listen to. But then again I listen to a LOT more music than she does. She's also 6 years younger than me, so I guess I'm just gettin' old.

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My wife is a lot younger than me than 6 years. She listens to "jazz." Whatever the heck that is. Me, I listen to bluegrass, and classical...whatever the heck those are. smile It all annoys her. All the more reason to listen to it. wink

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Let me clarify that a little - I'm so piano freaked out at the moment that I mean classical SOLO piano. Too many of those other freakin' instruments messes it all up. I'll get over it.

Bluegrass, huh? Hey my great uncle is in the Country Music Hall of Fame. I ain't lyin' either. You never heard of him though. Before your time. And just about everybody else on this forum too. His name was Clayton McMichen. Fiddle Champion of the 20s.

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I tried a little Stockhausen on iTunes and it sounds like stuff my wife will definitely kill me if I get.
Reminds me of a Sir Thomas Beecham quote.

"Have you heard any Stockhausen?" Beecham was asked. "No, but I believe I have stepped in some."

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Can't leave out Yanni !

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#1059027 - 03/15/07 09:00 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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You mean...the Skillet Lickers?

#1059028 - 03/15/07 09:04 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Das dem.

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Pretty cool. There was a time when I wouldn't listen to anything but pre-1960 country or bluegrass. I was at Union Grove a few years back in the early 70's. Kenny Baker was always my favorite fiddler. Gotta big photograph of him on my music room wall. smile

Wow...talk about hijacking a thread. LOL! New Age...bluegrass...hey, it's all related!

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Wait, you mean we've hijacked two tonight? I liked where that one about the kids was going! cool At this rate I'll be a 1000 post member and have to change my log in name out of embarassment.

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WOW Irish Mak, your a GENIOUS. This is just perfect.

Mak, a few replies before yours, Monika stated that "new-age" sounds a little goofy indeed. I could'nt agree more.

Then she stated she wished there was a better name for this type of music. The answer came out in your opening words in your reply........"My Age"!.

What a great name for this type of music if you think about it. "Music for My Age"!. Not kiddie bubble gum, clubbin' hip hop, techno, rap etc, but music that fits "My Age".

So how about calling it "My Age music". Somewhat signifying a hint of maturity as opposed to middle aged. (I know, this coming from me! :p ).

Anyway, maybe its not the best name, but it's got to be better than goofy "New-Aged" right?

Got a better name for it?

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Neo-classical is sounding better and better.


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Actually, to be honest, "Neo-classical' sounds the best to me as well.

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Philip Aaberg
Craig Armstrong
Jim Brickman
Andre Gagnon
Philip Glass
Kevin Kern
Kostia
David Lanz
David Nevue
Michael Nyman
Jon Schmidt
Tiersen
George Winston
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What?? :rolleyes:

#1059035 - 03/16/07 07:59 AM Re: New Age Artists  
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I know what everyone is saying about the New Age label. However, I think that new comers to New Age music (like me) will know it by the name New Age, so at least this would come up on a search.

I updated the list, although I'm waiting for confirmation on the addition of Mr Super Hunky... wink


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On Rhapsody I just saw a couple of "New Age" artists listed, Liz Story and Suzanne Ciani.

From the little bit I listened it sounds like they could I guess, but it's back to that problem of classifying artists.

Anyone familiar with them ? Should they go on the list ?


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[b] J. Mark-

Poulenc... Hmmm, I guess I can sort of see it.
Ok...now what's *that* supposed to mean? confused [/b]
Sorry- I guess that was not a very informative reply, was it? smile

I guess it's just that a lot of Poulenc's music can be seen as somewhat similar to some New Age music in the melodic aspects and the overall listenability of it. Tho, as you say, there is much more complexity in there than most New Age music, and a more "modern" classical feel to a lot of it. There are also certainly pieces that have more percussive aspects and dissonance than you generally find in New Age music, as well. I've always thought of his Gloria as very ethereal, which can be applied to some New Age artists, also.

Sorry for the vagueness.


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Definitely, to both Ciani and Story. Liz Story's music tends to be more piano-centric and along the lines of George Winston and perhaps Philip Aaberg, while Ciani tends to more use synthesizers and has a more "space music" feel to it (which is a sub-genre of New Age). It's very atmospheric, but still extremely listenable. Try Ciani's "Velocity of Love" or Story's "Unaccountable Effect" or her Christmas album, which is really nice.


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WOW Irish Mak, your a GENIOUS. This is just perfect.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to notice... wink wink wink :p


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Got a better name for it?
Unfortunately, I don't. But I'm not over fond of "Neo-classical," either. That one, to me, implies a "relation" of sorts, to what is considered standard classical music, and then what do you do with those often classed in with New Age recordings who are more jazz or world music or whatever else inspired? I'm thinking of people like Michael Manring or Scott Cossu or the group Checkfield, who are all too often grouped in with New Age artists? It's the "label" problem- the need to pigeonhole everything and give a name or a class. And with so many musicians crossing boundaries, so to speak, these days, it gets harder and harder to contain them in one classification.


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Hey Mak, I'm just curious; what would your genre definition of Manheim steamroller be?

I know you love them as do I. I have the entire "fresh Aire" series of music that I stated collecting back in 1982 but when people hear it, they ask "what kind of music is that".

All I can say is nice music!

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If you are asking where to find Mannheim Steamroller in a store or wherever, they are usually classed with New Age. If you are asking what I, personally, think, then I would have to say that I think I agree with Chip Davis, who calls it "18th century classical rock." Of course, they are one of "those" groups that are hard to classify. You can hear a lot of influences in MH music: the early stuff, of course, rock, a bit of jazz, a bit of classical, and a whole lot of Chip Davis. And they are a prime example of why I don't like labels to begin with: many people will dismiss them when they see the CDs filed under "New Age." But if you play the music, those same people would really like it.

As for the CDs, themselves, I quit the Christmas ones after Christmas in the Aire, and have to admit to not having picked up Fresh Aire 8 yet...


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New age. Neo-classical. How about Borders Books & Music's new name for "it"?

Lifestyles.

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LIFESTYLES???!?! eek

I don't know whether to collapse in giggles or stunned disbelief.


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Being pretty firmly in the "classical" camp, I'm not a well-versed fan of music in the New Age category, but I have looked into it a little lately. I read on someone's website--either Jim Brickman or David Nevue, I forget which--that he sees himself as a religious music composer, but he's put in New Age, which brings up a different picture to some people. He says he doesn't mind it because it brings more people to his music, but he thinks all solo piano is dubbed New Age for lack of a broader category.

I wonder if Ludivico Einaudi is considered New Age in Europe, or is this just an American classification? It seems to me that anyone who tours playing his own music here will not be seen as a serious musician or composer. By serious, I mean that their compositions don't appear on the required or optional lists for any of the festivals for piano students, at least the ones I've seen. On the other hand, some modern composers--Catherine Rollin comes to mind--are featured repeatedly. I think she's great, but I wonder why she's more accepted than some of these others on the list above. Is it because she doesn't tour playing her own music? Does having a fan base somehow cheapen a composer? Or maybe if I were more schooled in music, I would see she was a better composer, plain and simple. I don't know.

For some reason--maybe marketing or just my own prejudices--I don't like the New Age label for these artists. I think it has a negative connotation, like I will be compelled to pull out the crystals and light the incense if I play them. Neo-classical seems a little more neutral to me, but I don't know enough about this music to even know if it all fits in the same category.

I think I'll go read the posts on the "complexity" thread that Jeanne W started and see if I can educate myself on this subject. It's very intriguing.

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Lifestyles??. Is'nt that a .....well, you know! wink

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what the heck are Philip Glass and other exponents of modern "art music" doing in your list of "easy, relaxing, meditating" new age crap?


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"new age crap" ?

Is that another new category???

:p

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nameksueijin: Don't know whether to take you seriously or ???

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what the heck are Philip Glass and other exponents of modern "art music" doing in your list of "easy, relaxing, meditating" new age crap?
That is exactly the problem with the "New Age" label (much as I don't mind it). It is NOT just "easy, relaxing, meditating crap." And Philip Glass and others fit under that one very large umbrella as well as many of the more relaxing sub-genres of the type. And on top of that, one man's "crap" is another man's muse.


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I wonder if Ludivico Einaudi is considered New Age in Europe, or is this just an American classification?
Einaudi's CDs have "classical" on their label, as do Glass's. Not sure they fit in there, either.


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I think {hope) what namekuse is referring to is that dreamy, half stoned type of music that just repeats the same measure of one or two notes or rhythms over and over and over again.

Some may say "enya" can do this, possibly "Yanni" as well.

You know, the type of music that makes you think you are just floating in warm, soft flufy clouds in a dream like state. you have your crystals in your hands and may possibly be in an almost trance like state while enjoying the music.

I guess this could also describe being "stoned"!, I don't know!!

Anyway, I think we all know what I am reffering to but I would definitely NOT put Einaudi, Lanz, Tierson and others in that "dreamy" category.

As far as "easy" to play. Go get a copy of "Christofori's dream" or "Le Onde" and you will learn real quick that this is far from "beginer" music. It's not too advanced, but definitely "intermediate" at least in my opinion.

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I wouldn't call Philip Glass "new age". His music is too "cerebral" for that (ducking). I would call it modern classical music.

I come from an electronic side of music, and would consider "Tangerine Dream" (Klaus Schulze) to be new age type of music. Enya also, although with more pop appeal. Even Pink Floyd could be considered to be "new age".

But, it seems to me that most instrumental new age music is considered by the masses to be forgettable elevator music, and in fact that would be the way it would be categorized. Hmmm, lets see - that sounds like dull elevator music, so lets put it in the new age bin.

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Elevator music is the kind of music that makes nice background, yes. There are "new age" artisits and then there are "new age artists" - those whose music commands your attention. That, to me, is what the best new age artists music does - it demands your attention. You want to actively LISTEN to it, not just put it on and let it serve as background fluff.

I've read more often than not that the musicians themselves do not exactly embrace being lumped together in the "new age" category. But that's what we tend to do, people like to categorize and label things. There just aren't the proper number or type of labels and bins to put these musicians into.

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You can't have 'classical' if the composer isn't dead!

I prefer "pretty modern piano music" which about sums it up for me.


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"pretty modern piano music"

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Don't think the composers would appreciate that too much, though. Somehow that "category" seems denigrating... OH FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHAT ARE WE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF FOR. WE'RE DRIVING OURSELVES BATS, WE ARE. laugh

My husband just asked "Are you still on PianoMold?"

I replied: "Yes - and I'm driving myself insane-o mane-o!" laugh

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I just call it music that I love to listen to and attempt to play.......

Labels (like stars) aren't always useful :p


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"pretty modern piano music"

laugh

Don't think the composers would appreciate that too much, though. Somehow that "category" seems denigrating... OH FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHAT ARE WE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF FOR. WE'RE DRIVING OURSELVES BATS, WE ARE. laugh

My husband just asked "Are you still on PianoMold?"

I replied: "Yes - and I'm driving myself insane-o mane-o!" laugh

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Glad to meet another person with a sense of humor laugh

Tiersen has also been refered to as avant-garde, perhaps that's the best term.

In my mind it's ex-ante classical. I think the music is brilliant, and the critics who think complexity equates with good music have totally missed the point of music...to manage to evoke so much using so little is truly the mark of a master. Mr. SH is right, Einaudi, Tiersen, Lanz, Brickman are all in a class by themselves.

I agree with Jeanne, this music demands your attention. I love classical music, but it really has been done to death, and by much better people that I'll ever be. When I play these new artists, I get the added satisfaction of novelty (I may not be the best but at least I'll be among the first, haha), it's like playing satie or bach when they were still alive. And as rocky says, ultimately, it's about how it makes you feel when you play it, why else bother to learn piano if not for this pleasure.


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sid, I think you hit it right there. If people looked at our CD collection, they would probably not have a clue how to classify our listening "style." We have music that crosses every type, every genre, every label- some of it is my husband's choice, some mine, most we both enjoy. Our taste is eclectic, to say the least. And I don't judge the music I choose to listen to (or play) by label or category. It's got to be something I enjoy- period. And if some think it's "elevator music," so be it. Heck, I have a whole set of CDs from one of my favorite musicians that my husband does consider elevator music! laugh I don't care- I like it!! And some of the artists that are talked about in this and the other New Age threads, I don't care for. But that's ok, too. Everyone's taste is different. Labels get in the way, far too often.


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That's the problem with modern (as in recent) instrumental music as far as the not very complicated or sophisticated label goes - because there is no vocal or lyrics it's always judged on the instrumentality of the music.

For example, everybody might agree that "Let It Be" by the Beatles is easy to play on piano, but does that mean that that song (and by extension - The Beatles) were no good, or not very sophisticated? The Beatles, as it turns out, were very sophisticated and had the most impact of any music of the last 100 years. They completely changed music not just once (as did Elvis, for example) but about three times - and the impact is still felt by music today.

New Age or whatever we call it - can't be dismissed because of its simplicity or complexity. IT'S JUST MUSIC, isn't it? Do you like it? Yes? That's all that matters. But let's still find a different name for it.

Bottom line is that I'm embarrased to tell random people I meet that I like New Age music. It makes it sound like you like the kind of music that Mr. SH described above. (Wait, there are times that I even like that kind, but not normally.)

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Maybe I should have titled this "Piano Artists that play mostly solo piano music that is not jazz, is not classical, and whose CD's often present a challenge when trying to classify into a single genre" wink

BTW, any other artists like that to add to the list ?


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There's a bunch of Japanese composers that fall into this category, Shiro problably knows them better than I...Kitaro and Ryuichi Sakamoto just to name a couple that comes to mind.


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Ahh, Vangelis. Don't really have any of his music, but remember a photo of him in an old Melody Maker - he was in the center of a bank of keyboards, stacked four to six high on all sides of him - him being in the "cockpit".

That's what happens when you get OBSESSED with the sound and realize: THIS keyboard has the best SYNTH sound, but this OTHER keyboard has the best HONKY TONK PIANO, and this OTHER keyboard.... you get the idea.

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Maybe I should have titled this "Piano Artists that play mostly solo piano music that is not jazz, is not classical, and whose CD's often present a challenge when trying to classify into a single genre" wink

DeepElm:

laugh laugh

Jeanne W

P.S. You also asked in your post if anyone has any new age artists to add to the list. Yes, I do. But one of them is someone new I discovered recently and I left that CD at work. I'll try to post back Monday.


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Oh, yes, Vangelis! Have several of his CDs, including one with Jon Anderson (of Yes). Great stuff. And Kitaro- many of his CDs in our collection. We actually saw Kitaro in concert once- great show.

Are we limiting our New Age artists to mostly piano oriented or are groups/other instruments in contention?


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Yiruma... whose "River Flows in You" is just exquisite.

If I go back to the first page of the thread to check, I'll lose this reply, so I'll just ask if you included Brian Crain (who was so viciously maligned in the other new age thread) and Stan Lanier?


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Are we limiting our New Age artists to mostly piano oriented or are groups/other instruments in contention?
I was originally looking for a list of piano artists, but if someone is not really a piano artist and you let me know I'll put them in the list and note that it's not piano oriented.


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Liz Story and Suzanne Ciani were my pics on a previous thread that took a left turn and landed in the dumpster. On the Vol 1 of the Liz Story it says New Age Series so that must mean she is certified New Age. Suzanne Ciani's piece Velocity of Love is available as a single sheet and is a piece my intermediate students like to play. Liz Story's Wedding Rain and Things with wings are more advanced and are favorites at recital time.

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Where does "Celtic Women" fit in? I just saw a special on pbs television featuring the Celtic women singers and while they are not playing piano, they sure sing very nice.

A bit on the "Dreamy" side, but still nice.

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OK. Now it's my turn to get critical. laugh (Anyone who's been following the new age threads will know what I mean.)

I can appreciate what the Celtic Women are doing and they play some great music. But it seems a over the top - too flashy and artificial for me. The way they dress, I mean. I can't get used to the idea of hearing that kind of music played by beautiful women strutting their stuff around the stage dressed to the nines in evening gowns!

I've been listening to English, Irish and Scottish folk music for years. To me, that music is about sitting around together in a comfortable setting, regular folks, having a friendly get together. It seems the Celtic Woman have come up with a very financially lucrative concept, and made it all a bit more palatable for the masses, though, so who am I to criticize?

I'm just having a hard time with-the way the music is presented. It rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Reminds me of Celtic Flashdance or something. eek

As far as where the Celtic Women fit in - I don't think they're new age music. That's folk music, mr. super-hunky!

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Jeanne:

The other thing I noticed listening to the celtic women show was that their songs sounded absolutely beautiful, but I could'nt make out a single word of what they were singing.

I don't know if they were singing in a foreign language or just some made up star trek kling-on language or something.

I hear what you are inferring about the "packaging" of their performance.

Hot women "strutting" around a walkway while a smoke machine pumps out some "clouds" for effect as well as very skillful lighting which appears to be rays of light shining from the heavens above.

Yes, I can see how some may think it a bit "over the top", but I can also see how this whole presentation would appeal to the masses.

It is a business after all and that should explain a lot of it!.

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if they're self-described celts, stands to reason they'll be singing in gaelic, welsh or one of the other surviving celtic languages.

Here's what the greeks wrote about them way back when:

Celts:
drink a lot of, pure, wine
will easily trade a slave for a barrel wine
look savage and furious with chalk in their hair and fight naked with just a torque (neck-ornament)
are quickly furious with others; they fight easily with their clansmen, even for the best place at the table

hehe, sounds like a rowdy bunch.


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Mr. Super Hunky:

Yes, it's undoubtedly gaelic they're singing in.

And if it helps popularize that kind of music, I'm all for it. smile

That's kinda how I got into that whole scene way back then. I first listened to Steeleye Span and a few other bands - their bag was "electrified folk". They played English folk songs but had electric guitar, elec bass guitar, drums. in their band. From there I started listening to the bands with more traditional instruments.

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Celtic Women are what many would descrbe as World Music- ethnic based, traditional style. And I think they put on a lovely show- and that's exactly what it is-> a show. It's as much about the "flash and dazzle" as it is the music. Altho they do great justice to the music, as well. And certainly the show aspect brings at least some exposure to the Celtic music to people who would not search it out otherwise. They do sing some of their songs in Gaelic, which is a darned hard language to get a handle on!

As for Vangelis and the like, when New Age music first came on the scene many, many years ago, that is exactly what it was- electronic based, "atmosphere" music. The class has grown considerably since, mostly, I think, because record companies and retailers just didn't know what to do with all this contemporary instumental music, and so it got lumped in with New Age. For an example of what New Age was originally concieved to be, listen to some of Constance Demby's "Novus Magnificat." You will also find Wendy Carlos in with New Age recordings a lot.

I think what we are seeing today is an umbrella category (New Age) with a number of sub-categories: electronic, contemporary instumental, and so on. Kind of like the catergory Rock has it's sub-genres: classic, metal, alternative, etc.


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For solo piano-based music that is very good (and he would probably deck me for mentioning him in a New Age thread! lol), try Lyle Mays. His main gig is jazz, but his solo CDs, Lyle Mays and Solo: Improvisations for Expanded Piano are quite nice and could be stretched into this category. Street Dreams is a bit more jazz in sound, but also good. Fictionary is definitely jazz, with a trio. And, of course, anything he does with Pat Metheny, but that IS jazz!


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Speaking of non new age, but worth mentioning, I'd say Bradley Sowash has some great solo piano stuff. I have a few of his CD's and he's one of my favorites. Plus for those interested he sells sheet music for all of his albums.


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Ahh, Vangelis. Don't really have any of his music, but remember a photo of him in an old Melody Maker - he was in the center of a bank of keyboards, stacked four to six high on all sides of him - him being in the "cockpit".

That's what happens when you get OBSESSED with the sound and realize: THIS keyboard has the best SYNTH sound, but this OTHER keyboard has the best HONKY TONK PIANO, and this OTHER keyboard.... you get the idea.
I don't think Vangelis bought all those keyboards just to get one good patch out of each one. He composes, and performs full-scale orchestrations on all those keyboards. Most likely, it's all interconnected via MIDI and sequenced / programmed to the hilt to allow him to do the "one-man" orchestra thing that he does so well. smile

What he does with all that equipment is a mystery. He's said little (if anything) to the press about how the equipment enables his compositional technique.

It's well beyond my comprehension how someone could perform an orchestrated arrangement on 18 keyboards in a live setting ... but somehow he does it. smile


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I'm thinking that photo of Vangelis was "pre-midi era", Colin. That was probably back around 1977ish or so. I don't think midi's been around that long? Anybody know for sure?

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MIDI was first introduced in 1983.

I don't know if Vangelis still operates in the same way, but he used to run all his (many) keyboards into a multi-track tape machine, and then play as many as possible at once. I remember an interview from many years ago where the interviewer saw Vangelis playing as many as six keyboards. lightning fast and not being able to tell the difference between that live performance and the recorded version. If I am remembering correctly, what Vangelis played was Chariots of Fire. So, who needs MIDI?? laugh


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Hah! I found it! I found the photo I was talking about - from The Melody Maker - of Vangelis sitting in the middle of a ton of keyboards.

There's also an article that accompanies the photo. The date on the article is Oct 2, 1976, by the way.

I've posted some of the article. Vangelis has some interesting things to say.

He is really into synths and keyboards, so I thought it might be appropriate to post this in the "Digital keyboards forum". Here's a link to the thread if you're interested in reading through it.

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I said I'd try to add some new age artists to the list. Here are ones I've found and like. This list is in no particular order.

These CD's main focus is solo piano:

John Boswell.
"Trust" CD
IMO one of his best CDs
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-John-Bo...mp;s=music&qid=1174429008&sr=1-4

Dan Chadburn
"Reflections" CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/danchadburn2

Peter Kater
"Piano" CD
http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Peter-K...mp;s=music&qid=1174429066&sr=1-2
Kater was nominated for a Grammy award the past (2) years I believe.

Keiko Matsui
"The Piano" CD
http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Keiko-M...p;s=music&qid=1174429113&sr=1-15
Most of her other CDs have lots of other instrumentation on them. This one is basicaly solo piano. Very nice.

Wayne Gratz
"Gift of the Sea" CD
http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Sea-Wayn...mp;s=music&qid=1174429151&sr=1-2

Jennifer Thomas
"Key of Sea" CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/jenniferthomas
She's very interesting. Her music has more of a classical element to it than most.

Dmitry Krasnoukhov
"Drops of Rainbow" CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/dmitryk

Linda Kerby
"Little Miracles" CD
http://cdbaby.com/cd/kerby

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The top artists, George Winston, Jim Brickman, Yanni tend to lead the way in quality. David Arkenstone and 2002, both groups multiinstrumentalists, are also excellent. They tend to be the artists that others try to copy.


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#1059081 - 04/18/07 02:54 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Also try Jon Schmidt out of Utah. He has a pop influence but mostly new age. I am a piano artist but am still developing and hopefully will one day be able to reach the quality of these other names.


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#1059082 - 04/18/07 08:59 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Another new name is Dax Johnson. I heard about him from David Nevue, who talks on his website about Dax Johnson being HIS favorite pianist, so I figured he had to be good! And he is. Sadly, he died a few years ago. That makes it hard to find his CDs (I got mine from the Dax Johnson website that is being maintained by his friends). But his music is complex, sort of along the lines of Winston or Jon Schmidt. It's the kind of music I wouldn't be able to play for years. But I like to listen to it. smile


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#1059083 - 11/11/08 04:02 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Hi,

Sorry to dig up this thread from long ago, but it seemed more appropriate than starting a new one for my short message.

There is a car programme here in the UK (and also US now?) called Top Gear. They do reviews of cars, but also entertainment aspects as well. In the past few years they have used minimalist music by Einaudi and Craig Armstrong quite alot during the features (in fact, Einaudi can be heard in the following vid at one point).

Anyways...
was watching the programme at the weekend, and loved the short section of piano music playing in the background at 5min 50s mark or so in this clip. It's lovely! (if you can hear it above the tyre-screeching etc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8X-TILdRRg

#1059084 - 11/11/08 04:12 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Okay,

It took around 5 minutes of research. I found a site which listed the music on the programme. The piece is by Eluvium* and the track is called Perfect Neglect in a Field of Statues.

http://green.groups.vox.com/library/audio/6a00ccff84a969985d00fa969d092b0002.html

* I played a piece by Eluvium in a previous recital this year. I had no idea this was by the same group!

#1059085 - 11/11/08 04:18 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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That *is* pretty, Euan... I have this sense I've heard the piece before, but I can't remember where or who... maybe on the Whisperings station.

Seeing as you've resurrected this thread, I'll add another name: Josh Winiberg, who I learned about on the Einaudi forum. His music comes the closest to Einaudi that I've ever found, so of course I love it. smile My favorite track of his is "Tidal" from his "Sunrise" album.


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#1059086 - 11/11/08 04:19 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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We cross-posted, Euan. laugh While it's reassuring to learn that I wasn't imagining I had heard that piece before, it's irritating to discover that it's a piece I have in my Eluvium playlist on Rhapsody so I really shoulda been able to identify it... [gnashes teeth]


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#1059087 - 11/11/08 04:40 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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That *is* pretty, Euan... I have this sense I've heard the piece before, but I can't remember where or who... maybe on the Whisperings station.
The piece is from the album 'An Accidental Memory in the Case of Death' - I remember you said it featured only piano music, rather than other albums by Eluvium which have electronic stuff. So you must have heard it online or something?

#1059088 - 11/11/08 04:41 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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... oops, I posted that last message before I read your last response. Haha! smile

#1059089 - 11/11/08 06:24 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Can't leave Richard Clayderman and Keiko Matsui from the list. Keiko was mentioned with one of her CDs - bot she has much more, and everything is worth a look and listen. I literally love her music.


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#1059090 - 11/11/08 07:29 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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I recommend Constance Demby - Novus Magnificat.
It is a grand and extremely beautiful new age/spacemusic/classical composition and basicly the only new age I ever cared about.

Vangelis I wouldn't classify new age, only some of his music is new age-ish.

Also, new age isn't the same as ambient. Ambient artists are for example Brian Eno, Steve Roach, Robert Rich. Of course classifications don't matter in the end, but you gotta seperate things somewhere.
For great piano ambient I recommend Brian Eno & Harold Budd - Ambient 2: The Plateaux of Mirror

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The best piano tune by Vangelis is of course Memories of Green (from Blade Runner) smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg0cmhjdiLs

#1059092 - 11/12/08 05:16 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Can't leave Richard Clayderman and Keiko Matsui from the list. Keiko was mentioned with one of her CDs - bot she has much more, and everything is worth a look and listen. I literally love her music.


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Mati - I fully agree about Keiko - wonderfully creative blend of several genres of music including (gasp!) New Age in her exciting and highly listenable compositions and performance thumb

Have you seen her YouTube videos? Especially gorgeous is "Forever, Forever". Check it out!

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#1059093 - 11/12/08 05:41 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Hmmmm. Never heard of Keiko. I'll have to check her out.

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#1059094 - 11/12/08 06:42 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Can't leave Richard Clayderman and Keiko Matsui from the list. Keiko was mentioned with one of her CDs - bot she has much more, and everything is worth a look and listen. I literally love her music.


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Originally posted by Mati:
[b] Can't leave Richard Clayderman and Keiko Matsui from the list. Keiko was mentioned with one of her CDs - bot she has much more, and everything is worth a look and listen. I literally love her music.


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Mati - I fully agree about Keiko - wonderfully creative blend of several genres of music including (gasp!) New Age in her exciting and highly listenable compositions and performance thumb

Have you seen her YouTube videos? Especially gorgeous is "Forever, Forever". Check it out!

Regards, JF [/b]
Of course I did! smile I've seen almost all of them one day laugh Well said she makes a great blend of several genres. Even jazz style and harmonies are prominent in her music. She is so much more than just a "new age" pianist.

I will go and watch them once again though, thanks for a reminder! smile


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#1059096 - 11/14/08 07:44 AM Re: New Age Artists  
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I love Keikos music. One of my favorites is the Water Lily. She is an elegant pianist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXgPIxSEFAY

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Babs - Another beautiful piece and performance - somehow I missed that one before - Thanks!

Elegant is putting it mildly - excitingly, creatively elegant is perhaps a litle more descriptively accurate.

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I love Keikos music. One of my favorites is the Water Lily. She is an elegant pianist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXgPIxSEFAY
Beautiful smile

#1059099 - 11/14/08 01:10 PM Re: New Age Artists  
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Einaudi is not new age. Tiersen is not new age. David Lanz is not new age. Clayderman is not new age. Philis Glassis definitely not new age.

New Age music, is exclusively that music which is related to New Age topics by openly New Age composers.

Imagine a composer who write music in a certain style, and he is vegetarian. Would you define all the music that have some aural resemblance to that style "vegetarian music"?

Neo-Classical sounds good.
Neo-Melodic sounds good.
Modern Instrumental is good too.
Contemporary Instrumental would work as well.

Or you could just describe the sound you're looking for. Soothing melodic music. Soothing ambient music. Ambient minimalist music. Instrospective slow melodic.

After all, there's music, openly New Age because associated with the New Age movement, which is fast electronic techno rock.

A pianist which is openly New Age is Mike Rowland. Here you can listen is "Come into the Fairy Ring":

Mike Rowland - Come into the Fairy Ring

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Originally posted by Danny Niklas:
Einaudi is not new age. Tiersen is not new age. David Lanz is not new age. Clayderman is not new age. Philis Glassis definitely not new age.

New Age music, is exclusively that music which is related to New Age topics by openly New Age composers.

Imagine a composer who write music in a certain style, and he is vegetarian. Would you define all the music that have some aural resemblance to that style "vegetarian music"?

Neo-Classical sounds good.
Neo-Melodic sounds good.
Modern Instrumental is good too.
Contemporary Instrumental would work as well.

Or you could just describe the sound you're looking for. Soothing melodic music. Soothing ambient music. Ambient minimalist music. Instrospective slow melodic.

After all, there's music, openly New Age because associated with the New Age movement, which is fast electronic techno rock.

A pianist which is openly New Age is Mike Rowland. Here you can listen is "Come into the Fairy Ring":

Mike Rowland - Come into the Fairy Ring
Oh!!

OK then.

But I still enjoy them laugh

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