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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055962
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I think if I was in your position I would crumble and buy a digital for those monotonous practice sessions.
as for me, nope my family doesnt mind at all that i practice whatever piece for however long. i think its cool when i get it and my husband comes over and smiles and says wow, you got it thats smooth, no matter how long it takes me to get it. pretty cool. my kids well, they dont care one way or the other:)


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055963
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"Oh, no, if he's going to be on the piano, I am going to the store. Anybody need anything?"

Beautiful.

Do you need milk and don't like the idea of getting dressed and jump in the car?
Go at the piano! smile

(on a different note: no practice pedal?)


"The man that hath no music in himself / Nor is not mov'd with concord of sweet sounds / Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils." (W.Shakespeare)

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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055964
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Apple...hmmm, I think you're onto something there. Complain about my attempt at learning my music and trying to be a better player and person AND it's "Dinner? What dinner?" Love it!

As for the neighbors, she's told me that she loves it during the summer when the windows are open and she can hear us practice. Nice folks!


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055965
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My practicing can drive my spouce crazy but we've managed to compromise........I always wear my headphones... laugh

Actually even the 'silent' thumping can annoy others.....so I've discovered!!!

I do have to be careful not to ignore him so I try to limit my evening practice to 1 hour (major sporting events or CNN telecasts excluded laugh )

Occasionally he'll comment that he never hears me play yet if I play without headphones, he's most likely to ask me to put them on...go figure :rolleyes:


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055966
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Originally posted by Innominato:

(on a different note: no practice pedal?)
Did they make those in 1910? I've tried all three pedals on our old upright, but none of them seem to mute or soften the sounds in any way.

Do practice pedals actually work? One of the uprights I am considering boasts a "mute" system, "allowing for piano practise, even at night." If this is true, it would eliminate one reason for getting a digital.


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055967
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I grew up with my dad, four older brothers, and two sisters always playing.

I have a Roland 88 key and it has some great sounds weighted and touch sensitive keys but I enjoy the acoustic piano so much more.

Maybe I try some better headphones!


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055968
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I do feel bad about practicing the same thing over and over. I am sure that my family gets sick of listening to the pieces that I am struggling with. My husband is quite gracious though and when I ask him about the "obnoxious factor" he just says that it's wonderful to have the house filled with music.

I have noticed that he retreats to his study quite often when I'm playing though . There might be a connection !

Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055969
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Years ago I was always playing baroc-music, mostly Bach, Händel and Buxtehude. After a gap of 17 years not playing music, I rediscovered playing music. I purchased a digital piano and fell in love with Jazz-standards, Gershwin, Kenneth Baker, Andre Gagnon. smile smile

My wife 'hates' jazz, but she knows what music means to my. Only sometimes she say after hours of jazz mad 'Please, play some Bach for me' or 'Would you be so kind using headphones'.........Than I know how much my heart wife loves me....... laugh

Lucky for her and me.....I play also Schumann....

Johan B


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055970
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My digi barely makes noise, and if he/she is in a seperate room, door closed, no one will hear a sound. I am a true fan of using a digital piano to practise. I feel like digital have a little heavier action. I play on a 60/40 basis. Just make sure to get weighted key action. You can benifit from a digital as there are many added features. Plus, buy the right one and you can carry it with you on trips, etc. Its affordable and practical, however will never replace the feel of a grand.

Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055971
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"Do practice pedals actually work?"

They do, but it is not the perfect solution and not a bed of roses, either.

The piano I practiced on as a child was a german Lehmann, I think from the Thirties, might have been of a later year.

It already had a practice pedal, and the practice pedal could be "fixed" in its position. The effect was pretty strong from what I remember.

In my present piano (see below) the same pedal is also present (I did not want to buy one without); the effect seems to me rather less pronounced, but it could be that I am just remembering wrongly how the old one worked.

Both pianos have a change in tone with the practice pedal. This is the only negative aspect for me.

As for the noise abatement: when I was a child we were five people in an apartment with three bedrooms and a large kitchen besides the living room where the piano was placed; I frankly never experienced my brother and sister's piano playing with the practice pedal as a nuisance, provided I was in another room. As the family life was largely in the "living kitchen", there were ways to avoid sharing your life with a practicing child. The neighbours of the flat below never complained when we practiced with the practice pedal (but they did when we didn't, tiled floor you know......).

So I would say that whilst it is not the perfect solution, it allows one to own and enjoy an acoustic piano in the majority of situations provided there is a minimum of tolerance for noises (I am Italian, in our culture tolerance for noises is, admittedly, pretty high, in Germany the matter might already be different).

But if you have a wife in seaside-lee style, ie who does not want to hear a note from you, then you will need a digital (or a new wife, as the case may be.. wink ); the same applies if the space in your apartment does not allow the other family members to comfortably switch their activities to another room whilst you're practicing, within the room the piano is certainly very audible even with practice pedal.

I would never buy an acoustic piano without a practice pedal (with possibility to "fix" the pedal in position), unless my place had so much space at disposal to make it irrelevant.


"The man that hath no music in himself / Nor is not mov'd with concord of sweet sounds / Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils." (W.Shakespeare)

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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055972
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On a different notes, I have from Fine's book that noise abatement systems can be retrofitted on many pianos.
I did not know that when I bought mine and do not remember how the things works in detail (eg if I have to open the piano and take a chunky thing in and out of the piano or if a lever will be fitted to switch it on and off at pleasure), but it might be another option eg for older pianos.


"The man that hath no music in himself / Nor is not mov'd with concord of sweet sounds / Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils." (W.Shakespeare)

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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055973
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The practice pedal on my U1 lowers some felt over the strings where the hammers are going to strike the strings. It's probably quite easy to rig up something DIY as a trial - hang some felt in the appropriate place. Just a thought...!

Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055974
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My wife and I are alone most of the time and she seems not to mind at all. In fact she thinks it's cool that at 61 I have embarked on an absolutely new quest. I think that in the past 2-1/2 weeks she's heard "When the Saints go Marching In" at least 150 times (very conservative guess), at least 90% of the time with some keying error and 100% of the time with an uneven, unpredictable tempo. No complaints. She engages in long telephone conversations 10 feet away. The most I've heard from her is when I finally get something right, she'll say "good job, Rod." I haven't had a meal withheld yet.

When the kids are home, they just laugh or bring their friends in to see their "crazy" dad on his quest.

I have a digital piano and have the option of headphones but use them only about 10% of the time, e.g., if I get up to practice during the night.

So, I count my blessings.


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055975
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But try to avoid the situation that our friend Seaside Lee went through recently. Your family will think you are ignoring them...
yes probably not the greatest role model ha


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Actually even the 'silent' thumping can annoy others.....so I've discovered!!!
Yes it can! I can vouch for that frown


Have to agree though that headphones on a digital for the hours and hours of perfecting something over and over before playing the more perfected version on an acoustic is probably the best solution if you are totally driving them nutz!!


good luck


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055976
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No, my family doesn't complain much. The kids know mom wins whenever she wants to practice, and my husband is pleased I am learning. They tolerate me at all hours. I have them trained that if I am working with the metronome (little sections over and over and over), they must leave me alone, because that is when I am concentrating the hardest. Our biggest conflict is that we have the TV in the same room as the piano. Usually I can practice while they watch TV--they put on the subtitles and mute the sound. They have learned it is either that, or no TV at all.

I do try to be considerate when we have houseguests, but I sure don't accomplish as much, and as much as I love them, it is a relief when I can practice normally again.

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"The kids know mom wins"

"I have them trained"

"They put on the subtitles and mute the sound"

"They have learned it is either that, or no TV at all".

"I do try to be considerate when we have houseguests"


smile smile Impressive.. wink

(Hears the late Mr. Weissmuller's "Tarzan Yell" in the distance...)


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Re: Does playing or practicing, drive you family up the wall #1055978
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"Impressive.."

Aah, yes, I have 10 children...and plenty of practice being the boss. (Only 5 still at home)

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I can't help but wonder why five have moved out. Hmmm.... smile

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My practicing causes great disturbance and antipathy. Mainly between me, myself and I. My wife doesn't care.

When first taking lessons, as a 10 year old, I came to view piano as a competitive exercise. Playing carries negative connotations till this day.

Which is why I won't let anybody hear me play until such time as I can reproduce a piece in reasonable fashion.


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"I can't help but wonder why five have moved out. Hmmm.... "

Yeah, I know. As soon as they are old enough they rush off to college. Just think, they could stay here and work at McDonalds and listen to me practice.

Actually, 3 of the 5 were gone before I even started playing piano, and both of the younger two have started playing piano on their own, after seeing me start. And the one just older than them, has taught himself to play about half the hymns in the hymnbook--and he sightreads way better than I do, still, even though he has never had a piano lesson.

All the kids play band instruments, so we are used to lots of practice noise going on throughout the house.

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