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#1053991 - 05/24/07 02:56 PM ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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I just ran the search of ABF for 'Liszt' in the subject line and got this result:

You searched for keywords: 'Liszt' | 1 matches found

This is gross injustice towards our beloved composer who really defines the Romantic movement more than anybody else! So, with a goal of eradicating such discrimination, I start this thread of Liszt Devotees.

Liszt's music is a much feared subject for beginners - with all those Transcendental Etudes, Hungarian Rhapsodies, etc. Yet, despite being at times very technical, Liszt is also incredibly melodic and easy to comprehend. And, he did write piano compositions that are manageable at beginner level - well, maybe, not at total beginner, but given the sheer explosion of talent that I see (hear?) here at ABF, I think that the fear of Liszt should be banned!

I open this thread with just a few links to our favorite composer, and will expand this post with cross references to "the best of the thread" and outside links periodically.

Liszt Links

Franz Liszt on Wikipedia

Americal Liszt Society
Liszt sheet music on IMSLP
Piano Society page - recordings and sheet music
A site with many anecdotes and Liszt quotes


Threads on ABF related to Liszt:

Easy Liszt Pieces
Hungarian Rhapsody... how hard?

Books about Liszt

Alan Walker\'s "Liszt years" (3-volume set, link is to the first volume on Amazon) (Get it at the library)
Liszt by Derek Watson

*new* Absolutely stunning recording (from 1940s) of Frederic Lamond (one of Liszt students) talking about Liszt (thanx, Mel!):
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/4411/9.html#000207


If you have a favorite Liszt resource on the Internet, please e-mail me and I will add it here.


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#1053992 - 05/24/07 03:02 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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Maybe it's just me, but the name "Liszt" and the term "beginner" don't seem to be a felicitous pairing. I wish I could play some of his music, but I can't (yet).

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Originally posted by Ted Stanion:
Maybe it's just me, but the name "Liszt" and the term "beginner" don't seem to be a felicitous pairing. I wish I could play some of his music, but I can't (yet).
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Ted:

This is exactly the attitude that I am talking about when I say that Liszt is undeservedly feared by beginners. And, it is entirely unwarranted! Here is a wonderful easy Liszt's piece for beginner:

A theme from "8 variations":

imslp.org/wiki/Huit_Variations%2C_S.148_%28Liszt%2C_Franz%29

(copy and paste URL to browser - this BB won't allow links with parenthesis in the URL)

I don't seem to be able to find a recording of it on the internet, but when I get home, I'll try to sight-read it and (if not too embarrassing) post it here.


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#1053994 - 05/24/07 04:17 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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i'm not a devotee of anyone (except Beethoven perhaps), and never learned any Liszt pieces. but i'm going to learn his Consolation 3 pretty soon, since i begin to feel that my techniques finally are up to the task.

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sign me up! I'm a huge fan of the man and his music! (and yes, it intimidates me!!) cool

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Here's a site that has many anecdotes and Liszt quotes http://www.users.cloud9.net/~recross/why-not/Florilegium.html

Here's a site with 200 of his works available to download the sheetmusic for:
http://www.imslp.org/wiki/Category:Liszt%2C_Franz

And Alan Walker's bio of Liszt is a very good read. (get it at a library, the volumes are quite expensive)

One fact I read about Liszt in Walker's book was that Liszt played (or tried to play) difficult passages with every imaginable fingering. So when you start playing his more complex stuff, the fingering noted by Liszt will end up being the most efficient.

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Count me in as a devoteee! Although Beethoven is my favorite classical composer, Liszt is my favorite classical* pianist!

I recently bought a book of sheet music by Liszt, and there are many pieces that the relatively skilled beginner can handle. Not every single piece of Liszt takes a Piano Deity to play.

*I know Liszt was a romantic but I use the term broadly like the general public does.

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I'm in as well! I'm a big Liszt fan and just finished reading Derek Watson's biography.

Edit: Although having a thread on Liszt with links to interesting places about him, I think there would probably be more discussion about Liszt if those interested in him would start threads of their own on different Liszt topics. Yuri could then perhaps create links to those threads. I think this is probably a better mechanism than having another "superthread" ala the Chopin thread that contains both links and discussions.

I'll start a thread tomorrow on a topic about Liszt that I've been interested in for a while.


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Oh great, the balkaniztion of the ABF begins: the Chopin people vs. the Liszt people smile

I like them both a lot, although I'm far more familiar with Chopin's works. Liszt is something I've been putting off because I just don't feel "ready".


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#1054000 - 05/24/07 10:38 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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I like this idea!

Liszt composed great music, and from what I've read, was a really good guy.

Although I don't really like the 'devotee' thing. That will leave out other cool composers like Alkan or Beethoven.


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#1054001 - 05/24/07 10:39 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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UH OH! more Liszt addicts. laugh ha ha ha

#1054002 - 05/24/07 11:03 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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I think it's about time that Liszt devotees have a thread to discuss this giant of the romantic era. If others wish to begin threads about other composers (which they have), then more power to them. I'm for letting this thread find its level of interest. Of course, I have a bias toward Liszt, thus the avatar and user name. thumb

No offense intended,

Lisztener



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Originally posted by YD:
Here is a wonderful easy Liszt's piece for beginner:

A theme from "8 variations":

imslp.org/wiki/Huit_Variations%2C_S.148_%28Liszt%2C_Franz%29

(copy and paste URL to browser - this BB won't allow links with parenthesis in the URL)
The date on that is 1824... Liszt was born in 1811.


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Sophia,

While I was studying Liszt's Consolation No. 3, I did a search on YouTube and found many versions. Here is a link to my favorite performance of this piece on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fas_xU_Lw

I hope you enjoy it and I believe you will do a wonderful job of playing it, soon.

Regards,

Lisztener



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Liszt is something I've been putting off because I just don't feel "ready".
Greg,

After listening to your masterful performance of Debussy in the latest recital, I don't understand this response from you. I believe you have the virtuosity to handle many of Liszt's concert pieces.

Regards,

Lisztener



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Wow! I sure started something here... It's been only a few howrs that I was away from a computer, and the thread has taken on a life of its own.

Thank you, thank you! It is so wonderful to see so many people here!

As promised (and very embarrasing), I just printed and (ahemmm) sight-read (or, should I say, sight-maligned) the theme from 8 variations. Now, what a wonderful piece for a total beginner!

http://www.box.net/shared/r8d4ihhef8

I wish there was a rendition of it by concert pianist on youtube or something - I am not doing it justice....

Edit: Oh, forgot to mention: I played it with no repeats so as not to prolong your suffering. Otherwise it would have been twice as long.


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Edit: Although having a thread on Liszt with links to interesting places about him, I think there would probably be more discussion about Liszt if those interested in him would start threads of their own on different Liszt topics. Yuri could then perhaps create links to those threads. I think this is probably a better mechanism than having another "superthread" ala the Chopin thread that contains both links and discussions.
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Great idea! I will cross-reference the various Liszt threads here. Meanwhile, so that this "meta-thread" is easily accessible, could you, please, add Liszt (with a reference to this thread) in the "important topics" pinned thread?


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Originally posted by Lisztener:
Sophia,

While I was studying Liszt's Consolation No. 3, I did a search on YouTube and found many versions. Here is a link to my favorite performance of this piece on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3fas_xU_Lw

I hope you enjoy it and I believe you will do a wonderful job of playing it, soon.

Regards,

Lisztener
Thanks very much, Lisztener! I'll keep working on it.

I think it's great to have threads devoted to composers like Chopin, Liszt, Beethoven and more. THe more we learn and share about these geniuses, the better as far as I'm concerned!

Sophia

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Edit: Although having a thread on Liszt with links to interesting places about him, I think there would probably be more discussion about Liszt if those interested in him would start threads of their own on different Liszt topics. Yuri could then perhaps create links to those threads. I think this is probably a better mechanism than having another "superthread" ala the Chopin thread that contains both links and discussions.
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Great idea! I will cross-reference the various Liszt threads here. Meanwhile, so that this "meta-thread" is easily accessible, could you, please, add Liszt (with a reference to this thread) in the "important topics" pinned thread?
Done.


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[b]Liszt is something I've been putting off because I just don't feel "ready".
Greg,

After listening to your masterful performance of Debussy in the latest recital, I don't understand this response from you. I believe you have the virtuosity to handle many of Liszt's concert pieces.
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That was a very kind thing to say, Lisztener, esp. considering the quality of your own performance of Scriabin. Thank you.

I do have a lot to learn and many holes in technique to patch up. That is the disadvantage to being self-taught ("He who is self-taught has a fool for a teacher"): Technique acquisition must happen on-the-fly, and since you're learning pieces you want to play rather than ones you have to play, chances are they are not the best ones for one's particular technical deficiencies - just as a child, without parental guidance, would eat pizza and junk food for every meal rather than meat and vegetables. Right now I am learning Chopin 25/6 because I need work with chord unity and I also happen to adore this piece.

There are plenty of Liszt pieces that pass the interest test with flying colors, too - one is Valse Oubliee No. 1 - which will likely be the first Liszt piece I learn. But need to clear some of the other irons out of the fire first...

Thanks again for the kind encouragement, and for the excellent reviews you've submitted so far on the recital, too!

Best,


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#1054011 - 05/25/07 01:50 PM Re: ABF Liszt Devotees Society  
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Wouldn't it be interesting to share how we all came to appreciate Liszt? What was the first Liszt's piece that you remember listening to?

I'll start. I probably had my first Liszt exposure during the years of studying music as a child (I studied for 7 years in "music school" - not only piano, but also theory/solfeggio, music literature, choir; standard beginning music education in Ukraine). I don't remember that; in fact, I was very baroque-centric, my repertoire was 90% Bach (I even won a competition in my 6 grade IIRC playing 2nd Partita). My home was very musical (my father almost made a career as a concert pianist, but in the end concentrated on mathematics - he is now a chair of the department of Algebra in the Kiev Institute of Mathematics), but strangely enough, the music in our home was again mostly baroque and classical (up to Schubert - if there is any particularly beautiful moment that I remember from my childhood - it is my father playing Schubert Impromptus) plus a bit of Chopin.

The first Liszt piece that I clearly remember (and am still considering the quintessential Liszt - if there is any piece I really- really- really want to play - uh - someday, this is it!) is the Blizzard, the 12th of the Transcendental Etudes. That's when I started paying close attention to Liszt. My circle of university friends (many were good pianists) was very much into Romantics, but with a distinct skew towards late Russian; Liszt was being feared as "unplayable," so I never tried any Liszt piece until my early twenties (it was 5th Hungarian Rhapsody - which I attempted to play for the 6th recital).

Unfortunately, I had a really bad injury of right hand - actually, two injuries: broken 4th finger and shattered wrist (skiing) - avoided scapho-lunate dissociation by a hair - that would have pretty much ended any prospects of restarting piano. Hence 12-year gap in my playing and only one Liszt piece that I kind of play now... ( Link to my intro on the intro thread )

My favorite Liszt pieces are:
Hungarian Rhapsodies (especially, 2,5,6)
Transcendental Etudes (Especially, 4,5,6,11,12)
Liebestraumes
Paganini Etudes, including, but not limited to La Campanella (did you know that the Paganini Etudes were dedicated to Liszt archrival Clara Schumann?)
Schubert songs transcriptions (especially "Erlkönig", "Ständchen", "Ave Maria")
Dante Sonata
many more


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Hi Yuri,

I didn't know much about Liszt' music when I was first studying piano other than the ubiquitous Liebestraume which always sounded too syrupy to me, at least the way it was usually played. Then I heard a CD of Horowitz playing Liszt and was knocked out-- then found the Argerich version of the B minor Sonata. Oh my. Words fail. Other favorites are the Cypresses at the Villa d'Este I and II, Annees des pelerinage, Pensees de mort, and on and on. He was so ground-breaking in his harmonies-- Wagner borrowed from him, more than the reverse.
Plus what a human being! More energy, heart and adventure in one lifetime than most people could pack into 5 lifetimes! Are there any decent movies or dramatizations of his life?


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I have a DVD of Evgeny Kissin titled "The Gift of Music" that to me is fantastic. I'll not go into detail about the DVD, but I have become a fan of Kissin. I believe he is one of the best, if not the best, classical pianists in the world. Back to the DVD, during an encore he performs Liszt's Etude No.3 in G Sharp Flat, better known as "La Campanella". I have never heard a more intense piece of music so masterfully played as this. The 6,000 in attendance at the Proms in Albert Hall, London cheered him to the point of raising goose bumps on my arms. I highly recommend this DVD. It has been out for such a long time that the price is unbeatably reasonable for the quality received.

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Lisztener,

I also have that DVD and have watched it many times. Kissin's performance is just amazing and the atmosphere in Albert Hall must have just been electric.


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Greg,

Look what I found on YouTube, speaking of Kissin's La Campanella.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y9Wiqsd9xY

Naturally, the production qualities are inferior to watching the performance on DVD, but it is still magnificent.

Lisztener



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Greg,

Look what I found on YouTube, speaking of Kissin's La Campanella.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y9Wiqsd9xY

Kissin is #1! Thanx for the link, Lisztener! Magnificent indeed!


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Some of my favorite Liszt pieces are:

Valee d'Obermann

Reminiscences de Norma

The three Sonneti di Petrarca

Un Sospiro

Wilde Jagd

Feux Follets

Tannhauser Overture

Polonaise in E

HR 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 2

Venezia e Napoli

Grand Galop Chromatique


Mel


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Greg,

Look what I found on YouTube, speaking of Kissin's La Campanella.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5y9Wiqsd9xY

Naturally, the production qualities are inferior to watching the performance on DVD, but it is still magnificent.

Lisztener
Thanks for the link Lisztener! It's nice to be able to watch online.

If I recall correctly from the introduction to the DVD, this was the first time in its (very long) history that the Proms has had only a solo pianist as performer and that it very quickly sold out. That's what I found so amazing about watching the DVD (besides Kissin's playing!): the almost "rock concert" atmosphere and the enthusiasm of the audience. I've never witnessed anything like it at a classical concert of any sort here in the states.

To anyone who doesn't own the DVD and is a fan of Liszt, or Kissin, or both, this is one you don't want to miss.


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The video of Ciffra playing the Grand Galop is extremely impressive. When I showed it to a non-pianist friend she wouldn`t believe it wasn`t camera trickery :-)


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Congratulations on your new Liszt Devotee thread. I think Liszt is great although it will be some time before I feel comfortable playing his music.

Besides there is another composer with whom I have an even greater regard. smile laugh

Kathleen


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