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#1037837 - 07/06/07 02:25 PM What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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This was inspired by a discussion of the definition of the word "pianist" - but this seemed more fun to me laugh

There aren't any pianists whose nickname is "Fats"

No one ever yells "Don't shoot me, I'm only the pianist!"

I used to think there aren't any jokes that start "A pianist walks into a bar. . ." but we've all heard the one about the 12" pianist by now, huh laugh

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#1037838 - 07/06/07 02:55 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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If you call yourself a pianist, somebody with dyslexia won't mistake you for a player piano. laugh


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#1037839 - 07/06/07 03:05 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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I feel a distinction between the two. A piano player can play the piano while a pianist can make the instrument come alive.

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#1037840 - 07/06/07 03:07 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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If you call yourself a pianist, somebody with dyslexia won't mistake you for a player piano.
LOL....too clever! laugh ha


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#1037841 - 07/06/07 03:09 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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Monica - LOL


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#1037842 - 07/06/07 05:35 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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'pianist' is more refered to the profession in piano, while 'piano player' is more general term for anyone who can play piano, good or bad or whatever. therefore, i would hesitate to call myself a pianist, but have no problem with anyone calling me a piano player...

actually, people don't take too seriously about it now, but still 'pianist' usually sounds more serious than 'piano player', and therefore, people expect a pianist to play everything great, but not that much expectations with a piano player!

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Well, so far Monica wins the cleverness stakes - more silly jokes!

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#1037844 - 07/06/07 06:27 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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Clever is as clever does, don't they say?

Would a dyslectic be able to spell dyslexia?

Just as pain-o is piano spelled dyslectically.

Maybe it's not really dyslexia, but just bad typing.

What is the "de-merit" in the sub-division of the stars? Not so clever after all! Are we enjoying ourselves?

#1037845 - 07/06/07 06:47 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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My Ramdon House Dictionary defines a pianist as: A person who plays the piano, esp. professionally. When my classical piano teacher asked me to teach classical piano as her understudy, she had her Master's in Music Education, she referred to me as a pianist. I was very happy and very grateful . Sandy B


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#1037846 - 07/06/07 08:29 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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I actually think it has more to do with ego than anything else.


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#1037847 - 07/06/07 08:46 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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True confessions.

I thought of the title as the intro to a joke and was looking for punch lines.

I don't - seriously - find any difference.

Maybe I should have titled the thread "A pianist walks into a bar. . ."

Monica, quit sniggering! laugh

Cathy - hahahahahahahahaha!


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#1037848 - 07/06/07 08:48 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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A guy walks into the doctor's office and says, "Doc, I haven't had a bowel movement in a week!" The doctor gives him a prescription for a mild laxative and tells him, "If it doesn't work, let me know."

A week later the guy is back: "Doc, still no movement!"

The doctor says, "Hmm, guess you need something stronger," and prescribes a powerful laxative.

Still another week later the poor guy is back: "Doc, STILL nothing!"

The doctor, worried, says, "We'd better get some more information about you to try to figure out what's going on. What do you do for a living?"

"I'm a pianist."

The doctor looks up and says, "Well, that's it! Here's $10.00. Go get something to eat!"

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YES!

Pretty funny, J. Mark -

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#1037850 - 07/06/07 08:58 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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A pianist is playing in a seedy, Mafia-owned tavern in South Jersey...it's 11:55 PM, and he's 5 minutes away from the end of his gig. The owner's assistant comes up to the pianist and says:

"Da boss wants you should play Strangers In Da Nite."
The pianist says: "Okay, no problem."

The henchman continues: "Da boss wants you should play it in F#"...
The pianist says "I usually play it in F, but no problem!"

The henchman goes on: "Da boss wants you should play it in 5/4 time."
The pianist says "But the song is in 4/4 time...How am I supposed to do that?"
Henchman asks him: "Look, you want paid or not?"

So the pianist improvises an introduction, and as he gets to the opening notes of the song, he hears, in a really ugly, raspy voice behind him:

"Strangers in-da-friggin' night....exchanging glances; Strangers in-da-friggin' night ..."

#1037851 - 07/06/07 09:03 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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Good thing I'd swallowed my coffee before I read that - otherwise I'd have to clean it off the screen - 8>/


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#1037852 - 07/06/07 09:11 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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Did you hear about the pianist who kept banging his head against the keys?
He was playing by ear.

#1037853 - 07/07/07 06:29 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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The difference is $200 an hour.


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#1037854 - 07/07/07 06:41 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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There aren't any pianists whose nickname is "Fats"

Why is "Fats" Waller not a pianist?


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#1037855 - 07/07/07 08:46 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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If I was a "pianist" I think I should be able to accomodate a request for "Do you know ____?" by at least faking it by ear. I also think I would be able to sightread well at an intermediate level, in December, plop a book of easy to early intermediate Christmas tunes in front of me and entertain guests. Then I would be a pianist!!


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#1037856 - 07/07/07 11:46 AM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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This reminds me of a violin joke.

What is the difference between a violin and a fiddle?

A violin has strings. A fiddle has "strangs".

I think the difference between pianist and piano player relates to genre and social distinction. A piano player plays in a bar (or better yet, in a joint), a pianist in a concert hall. That's why Fats Waller is not a pianist.

Note: I'm not endorsing the value judgment implied by this distinction, just pointing it out.

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If I was a "pianist" I think I should be able to accomodate a request for "Do you know ____?" by at least faking it by ear. I also think I would be able to sightread well at an intermediate level, in December, plop a book of easy to early intermediate Christmas tunes in front of me and entertain guests. Then I would be a pianist!!
Does 3 out of 4 make me a 3/4 pianist? laugh

Yes, the pun was intentional.


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#1037858 - 07/07/07 12:18 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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Matt H posts: "What is the difference between a violin and a fiddle?

A violin has strings. A fiddle has "strangs"."

Ay-yup - smile


For jwjazz, from an earlier post of mine: "True confessions.

I thought of the title as the intro to a joke and was looking for punch lines.

I don't - seriously - find any difference.

Maybe I should have titled the thread 'A pianist walks into a bar. . .' " - FATS WALLER AND MARCIA BALL FOREVER! smile

and from Matt H again: "Note: I'm not endorsing the value judgment implied by this distinction, just pointing it out." - I was just poking fun at it, myself.

This thread reminds me of the time when I passed out a bunch of flyers for a tennis tournament and asked my (computer programmer) colleagues to color them before I posted them around work - wow! were they good colorers! And not in the lines, either! We hadn't had so much fun since Hector was a pup -

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#1037859 - 07/07/07 01:03 PM Re: What's the difference between a pianist and a piano player?  
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I liked the "playing by ear" joke the best. laugh


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Dear Members, To be called a pianist has to be earned . Many years of lessons and talent. Hard work and talent... not ego...makes a pianist. In fact, my pianist friends are quite humble and admit they do not know it all...Sandy B


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Well, it seems to me the difference is not so much as to definition as to word origin together with historical curcumstances. A quick look to the dictionary tells us the suffix "ist" to be an inflexed ending. This makes the noun verbal. The inflexion is typical of latin origin. So I see, this term to have french origin or in a broad sence perhaps europian. Which is problely an older term than "Piano Player" Also note, the inflexed term seems to my ears to have a more subjective or personal meaning to it. The syntax "piano player" seems to include the notion of many surrounding instruments. But my feelings on this are only from my own mind and life experience as a user of English. One would need to do a major corpus search in order to find when and how this syntax was first used. I think it to be more vulgar and of course less established than "pianist".

Furthermore, words have a phenomenon moving from phrase to a fixed form know as collocation to hyphenation and than lastly becoming single word. This is no guarantee that "piano player" will ever move into one word. It probably won't because pianist is already doing the job.

But remember which ever term you chose to use the meaning should be understood to as the users intention first and context. Not historical definition.

Just my pedantic ramblings.
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Sandy writes: Dear Members, To be called a pianist has to be earned . Many years of lessons and talent. Hard work and talent... not ego...makes a pianist. In fact, my pianist friends are quite humble and admit they do not know it all...Sandy B

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I don't know that I would apply either word to myself. If asked what sort of pastimes I like, I would probably include playing the piano.

Neither word is entirely satisfactory. Pianist sounds like it is your profession. Piano player sounds patronizing, and suggests "self taught."

Sandy's quote suggests the importance of recognition for a person's extensive training and effort. No disagreement. However, the back side of that is, if you call yourself a pianist, you had better be GOOD. If you are mediocre and term yourself that, you will look like a prime fool.

I always only play for my two cats, and they don't really care what I call myself.


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They easily avoid this in popular music, credits are usually

vocals: person 1
guitar, piano: person 2
bass: person 3

or some similar permutation.

I suppose it really depends on the value the individual applies to the words in question if someone calls themselves a pianist and they're not particularly good, pointing that out to them could make you look overly pedantic and just as foolish.

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Originally Posted by Monica K.
If you call yourself a pianist, somebody with dyslexia won't mistake you for a player piano. laugh


Great one, Monica! Two years after making your joke you are still making people laugh.

I've always thought of a "pianist" as somebody who makes their living (or at least tries to make their living) off of playing the piano. I suppose though that anybody who plays the piano can call themselves a pianist... it's shorter and funner to say!

However, it would probably be misleading to call yourself a pianist or piano player if you haven't yet reached a skill level where you can either entertain or move people with your piano playing. If you are at a beginner level, it's probably more straightforward to just say that you are learning to play the piano.

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In the dictionary, beside the entry for pianist, one will not find a picture of me.

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I'd be more than happy to have anyone call me either one - but if I played a flute I definitely would slap silly anyone who called me a flautist - I know it's supposedly "correct", but is there any term more pretentious in the musical world - one does not play a flaut - one plays a flute - thus, one is a flutist - can we shelve the term flautist forever and henceforth flog anyone "uppity" enough to use it!

Regards, JF

Note: if flaut is French for flute then go to France with the rest of those spaghetti-spinned weasels and be a flautist... (French piano players and pianists excepted)

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