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#1029469 - 12/16/05 10:19 PM Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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Hello all,
I'm a adult beginner I have been playing for about 2 months and learning quite a bit( thanks to my teacher and the informative people on this forum smile ). My goal for the upcoming year is to get a good handle of 2 of my favorite beginner songs "Fur Elise" and the " Moonlight Sonata". I would like to start practicing them, but I have a few questions. I have the sheet music for these 2 pieces but both of them don't have any fingering. As a beginner it is my main concern not to move on to these pieces and play them the wrong way which could potentially set me back . If anyone know where I can get fingering for either of these pieces it would be greatly appreciated. Also any recommendations would be great! Happy holidays and thanks for your time.
-Daryl


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#1029470 - 12/16/05 10:26 PM Re: Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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#1029471 - 12/16/05 10:39 PM Re: Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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when i started, Fur Elise (or its first 20 bars or so) was the first ever piece i learned (even before i got an instruction book). i didn't have fingerings either, but i tried to make up my own fingerings, some good (that i still use) and some bad (that i had to change later). you can try the same, just try out a passage (or just a bar) at a time with different fingerings to see which one fits the passage and connects to the next passage/bar the best. at the beginning stage, it's all about comfortable of your finger movement and flow from previous passage to current passage and then to the next. also, since Fur Elise contains some arpeggios, you may try some standard arpeggio fingerings initially. anyway, trying out different fingering options is important, which would give you a good base for learning any pieces with/without fingering. btw, i will post a set of fingering for it later when i find it. just so you get an idea about it...

i don't think however Moonlight sonata 1st movement is even remotely for you to play even in the near future (say 1-2 years). it's a difficult piece and require quite good technique and touch to be able to play well.

#1029472 - 12/17/05 05:45 AM Re: Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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I'll second Signa's motion to leave Moonlight Sonata alone for a while. I'm approaching the 2 year mark and decided 6 months or so ago to have a go at it. Only now can I say that I can play it, and still have a ways to go to make it musical. But if you're insane and/or stubborn enough, here's a few things to start working on:

There's a section in the middle of the piece which consists of a series of diminished 7th chords (broken). My teacher has a nice technique drill that really helped get me through this section. Start working on all the inversions of c# and f# dim7 chords, playing them solidly and broken - only use 1, 2, 4 and 5 for the fingering. You'll soon find that dim 7 chords are symetrical - all the intervals are minor thirds between the notes. Then you may notice that the dim 7 inversions of C# are the same as the inversions of E, G, and B flat (or A sharp, before someone jumps on me for that wink ). At any rate, if you develop dexterity with the dim 7s broken, it'll be fairly easy to step up to the pattern you'll find in the piece. The hard part will be to keep them sounding like triplets.

One other thing to try might be to play through the chords of the piece solidly. It'll give a different perspective on the piece, allowing you to hear the chord progressions a little more clearly, and probably serve as a guide for playing the chords broken.

Hope that helps.


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#1029473 - 12/17/05 08:15 AM Re: Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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Thanks for all the help! I'm the type of person that belives you can achive anything if you work hard enough at it and you just belive. The Moonlight Sonata is a personal favorite and I'm sure with enough pratice I can get it down. I'm going to work on those two pieces for the good part of next year and given I should have 10 months and thats more then enough time with 2 hours of pratice a day. I appericate the tips and thanks for the links Piano jerome.


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#1029474 - 12/19/05 05:12 PM Re: Need Help with favorite Pieces  
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Playing the first movement of the 'Moonlight' even close to competently is very, very difficult. It requires huge helpings of that 'down in the keys' Beethoven touch. That's real hard at pianissimo. If you're determined, I would suggest practicing five finger patterns that raise only one finger at a time. Also, lots of attention is needed to connect the lower octaves in the left hand with a legato touch.


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