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Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102164
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Funny shaped - but they put a real Imperial action in it. I'd love to try one - time to pop by the Bosendorfer store.


No word yet on the list price.


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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102165
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Anyone want to buy a used CLP-280? wink

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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102166
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ps - where's the music desk???


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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102168
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I never thought I'd see the day.
A Boserdorfer digital.

Oye!

Jon, are you just pulling my leg?
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Is today April 1?

Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102169
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Anyone want to buy a used CLP-280? wink

-Michael B.
What? Adrian is selling his? wink

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I think it's an intriguing blend of classic style and new technology. I'd love to try one.

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Kenny - that's different. The CEUS system is a digital player system you have installed in an acoustic Bosendorfer.

Apparently I could retrofit one on mine.


The CESUSMaster Stage Piano is a similar system in its own case.

intriguing....

I'd love to have the real feel of my Bosie while playing silently. That would be just awesome.


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My dumb.
I edited my post.

What I really want to know is, can I get the digital in this case?

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This will be a fascinating product to watch ... my guess would be above $30K price at least, using Yamaha's MIDI piano's as a reference.

But that cabinet ... awful. I do hope they take a look at at least at Clavia, Voce, Hammond, Yamaha and Kawai's websites to see what could be done with digital piano cabinets. There can be no excuse for putting a beautiful Bosendorfer action in that ugly casket


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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102175
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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102176
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Hmm.. I rather like the look of the piano except for the legs which look kind of cheap and why only 2 pedals?

Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102177
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I think it looks cool, reminds me of A Wurlitzer model 200 electric piano.


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It's supposed to be 16-20k Euros. I had posted a while back that someone needed to take the step of putting a piano's action in a digital environment, rather than just coming up with 'close enough' alternatives.

The case looks ok, the legs, not so much. (especially for that sort of money).

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I tried it out in the Frankfurt Musikmesse a couple of months ago.

The action is authentic to a grand piano, similar to the GT models from Yamaha. But the sound is not adapted to the keyboard in the same way as the GT's which means that the playability is not as good in my opinion. The CEUS is in fact using a computer inside the cabinet with a neat 30 GB library from VSL.

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THanks for the review, fogwall.

SO do you have to buy an external music desk and sit it on top? Or is there some pull-out music stand that I'm not seeing?


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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102181
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We're still exploring distribution options for the CEUS Master keyboard. It uses a model 280 action with the CEUS system for reading key and hammer movement.

We've shown it with a PC and the VSL samples, which has been quite effective since the touch is perfect and the piano sounds are fantastic. However, selling it bundled with a pc presents a sales and service challenge for a small company like ours. This would require a whole additional layer of technical expertise and service capability that one does not simply pull out of a hat.

The other option is to just sell it as a keyboard, no sounds. Purchasers can use any tone generation system they want. That also presents a bit of a sales floor challenge...not so easy to sell something that has no sound. And showing it with substandard piano sound dilutes some of the impact...

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A Bosendorfer 280 action with the CEUS system for MIDI translation would be worth $25K in my opinion. The samples, though, have to be a bit of a conundrum. E.g., do you sell a Bosendorfer with Fazioli samples? It would dilute the brand and aid the competition.

I guess my choice (though no one has really asked for my opinion) would be to sell it as a naked MIDI controller, and give customers the power of choice -- have the store sell turnkey hardware packages (e.g., Synthogy Ivory on an Intel dual core machine; M-audio Delta 1010 interface; Tannoy Reveal 8D's ... probably another $5K) preloaded and configured... surely that could be contracted out, along with maintenance... and keep one of the systems in the store for demo. I'm not sure what fogwall means when he says the synthesis is not as well matched to the keyboard, but maybe this is something that could be controlled through the software setup as well. It certainly makes sense for the store musicians and technicians to tweak and fine tune the actual computer setup for optimal sound (and demo-ing) and then letting this be the 'default' setup for delivering with the piano

I didn't mean to be too critical on the case. But I just sort of expected something more creative and attractive from Bosendorfer. And the legs don't look like they would be at all stable ... they look cheesy. If you are going to pay $20K for piano, it should have wood or machined legs. I guess I will stick by my original impression ... I think it's ugly, and doesn't become one of the finest actions in the world.


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Re: Bosendorfer Digital Piano? #102183
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The legs don't bother me. It's a stage piano - make it easier to move. OTH, it might be nice to have options.

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