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#1014430 - 06/08/05 10:24 AM Playing with the kiddies  
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Can you bear another recital question?

How many of you play adults-only recitals, and how many of you play with the kiddies?

I play both types. I used to feel a lot of pressure with the kids, but that seems to have improved. Part of it is that I'm now slotted in the program with the teens, so I don't stand out quite as much physically.

The only issue with the adults' recitals is that I am *always* the least skilled player. When I play with the kids, I fall somewhere in the middle of the program.

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#1014431 - 06/08/05 10:33 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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This is just a thought....

Recitals are not competitions, it's an oppounity to show how much you can do and how well you can do at ur current level. I think it's wrong to compare each other's skill, because you just don't know all the details, so it's an assumtion, which can be very off from reality.

It's great you play both type of recitals, but either way, you should feel that you are less skilled, or moderately skilled, or advance skilled, you should be enjoying your achievement, and enjoy music.

#1014432 - 06/08/05 10:34 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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I mean you shouldn't feel less skilled, moderately skilled or advance skilled.....

#1014433 - 06/08/05 12:34 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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My teacher is putting together a recital for August and has asked me (quite nicely) to consider playing. It would be my first and my stomach clenches just thinking of it...

She has 6 other students, ages 6 to 14, so I don't know where I would fall in the lineup - possibly it would be my choice. I've been taking lessons the longest, but I know a few of the teens can play circles around me. And my teacher said she would play at the end. I think some of my nervousness would be due to wanting to make her look good as a teacher, as well as for myself...absolutely no pressure, right??? Liz :rolleyes:

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#1014434 - 06/08/05 12:59 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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Cindy - as discussed elsewhere, I play in the middle of a mixed group of kids, teens, and adults.

princessclara - I appreciate what you are saying, however, I think that the mixed skills and mixed ages are part of the problem, whether they should be or not. Part of my anxiety is appearing lame to the parents of the kids - many of whom are my peers in my social circle - when compared with the kids. Yes, I know logically that it shouldn't be so (yes, I'm sure they have respect for my having the guts to get up there and do it at all), but even so...


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#1014435 - 06/08/05 01:32 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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Generally there's not enough adults to have a separate recital around here. So, I end up as a not quite 1/2 a century old dude playing with a group of 5 to 10 year olds.

Mostly the comments I get from the audience afterwards are along the lines of "it takes a lot of courage to play in front of people", while the kids get the "you played beautifully" comments.

Surely that's not a reflection of my skill level is it?

I *am* a recital record holder for being able to play the fastest single note tremolo without ever lifting my finger from the note. (Nerves are a *wonderful* thing ain't they!)

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#1014436 - 06/08/05 07:43 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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My teacher has 7-8 adult students so he holds adult only recitals. There are about 3-4 per year. The order of play is totally random. People draw numbers to see who goes first, second, etc. I don't know what the rationale for this is, exactly. They were doing it that way when I joined the studio.


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#1014437 - 06/09/05 01:33 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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I think I wouldn't mind playing with kids, especially maybe junior high or older, if it weren't for my location and my job.

I live in a small city in Japan, I am one of only maybe 5 westerners in this town, and I am the "visiting teacher" which means that I visit all the elementary schools in this city to teach english classes. All the kids know me, and unfortunately, they tend to treat me a little bit like a celebrity, so there's no chance of me keeping a low profile, and younger kids tend to scream my name whenever they see me! eek None of these things would be conducive to keeping my calm before a recital I think. frown

If I were in the states, I think I wouldn't mind too much. But ultimately, I think the ideal is to play with a group of ABs, since we'd all have similar starting points and perspectives, even if we were at various levels.


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#1014438 - 06/09/05 01:37 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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The order of play is totally random. People draw numbers to see who goes first, second, etc. I don't know what the rationale for this is, exactly. They were doing it that way when I joined the studio.
Ooh, I don't think I'd like that. I would prefer that order be based loosely on ability and complexity of the piece, with beginners and easier pieces scheduled earlier in the program. Also, if someone really wants to, or wants not to go first, then that should be taken into account. But that's just my opinion. If there aren't too many students playing, and everyone is at a similar level, then I suppose drawing straws wouldn't be so bad.


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#1014439 - 06/09/05 05:55 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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Originally posted by Octavia:
[b] The order of play is totally random. People draw numbers to see who goes first, second, etc. I don't know what the rationale for this is, exactly. They were doing it that way when I joined the studio.
I would prefer that order be based loosely on ability and complexity of the piece, with beginners and easier pieces scheduled earlier in the program.[/b]
In that case, I would ALWAYS be the very first one to play. smile


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#1014440 - 06/09/05 07:50 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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I think the playing in a sequence roughly equivalent to ability is part of the problem...I think it serves to highlight the fact that there is a pecking order...that someone (the teacher) is paying attention and making notes on who is better. I like the names in a hat approach.


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#1014441 - 06/09/05 03:07 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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Ermo and Jerry, thanks for those comments. That makes a lot of sense too.

But how would you feel playing after someone who's been playing twice as long as you and is playing a piece that's three times as advanced as what you're playing? Actually, I think I probably wouldn't mind that... hmm.

Anyway, I guess I think the name in the hat is too random, unless the students really want that randomness. If there's someone who says "I don't want to play directly after Virtuoso Guy" then I think that order should be decided based on those sorts of considerations. But if people don't mind, then the randomness is better. hmm, it is hard though isn't it, because some people really don't want to play first, or they don't want to play last... I'm sure program order must be one of the things teachers agonize over.


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#1014442 - 06/09/05 03:34 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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I would hate to play after someone with a lot more experience! I don't really mind if there's a "pecking order". I know you shouldn't compare yourself to others, especially if they've been playing a lot longer. But it's hard not to. I'm not even sure it's a matter of who is "better", just who is more experience, and possibly playing a more difficult piece.

#1014443 - 06/09/05 06:12 PM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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But Ermo!

I've been working my way up the batting order for *years!* I've made it up to the 13-year-old kids!

I'm hoping to someday be slotted last in the first half of the program before intermission, showing the teacher has confidence that I will finish the program strong.

#1014444 - 06/11/05 06:01 AM Re: Playing with the kiddies  
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