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#1686714 - 05/29/11 07:56 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi everyone
Lately I've just been lurking here rather than posting.
I've done this as a cross-post on the Join the JOI Jazz Joint thread in the non-classical forum.

"In typical Dave Frank style, he is sharing his skill set for free. Here is the audio file version of our memorable Skype video conference session for you to benefit from.

Session 1
The JOI methodology

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19516551/Session%201_28%20May%202011.mp3

Session 2
Step-by-step approach to improv

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19516551/Session%202_28%20May%202011.mp3

Session 3
Knotty plays Cherokee
Knotty and Dave trade 4s
Dave's critique

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19516551/Session%203_28%20May%202011.mp3

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#1686778 - 05/29/11 10:33 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: custard apple]  
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Hey CA! That was awesome! I listened to everything. Like getting an extra bunch of lessons. How great you guys got to do this. Everyone is doing wonderfully. I'm usually not posting here, either - still a real newbie. Thanks for posting the audio. Really, kudos to all of you, and Dave Frank too, of course.


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#1686800 - 05/30/11 12:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi C Mohr
I was actually thinking of you when I posted this as I knew you hung around this thread !
You are welcome to join us next time if you decide to start JOI.

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#1686942 - 05/30/11 08:24 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Wow, custard, it's impressive you managed to record all that. I reached for my zoom at the start, but it had at that moment run out of batteries.

Mental note to self: Next time, play something a shade more impressive.

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#1687171 - 05/30/11 03:00 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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TLT, I thought everyone was pretty impressive! I'll have to give JOI a look - I can use all the help I can get!


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#1687306 - 05/30/11 07:03 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi C Mohr
On Dave Frank's web-site he provides Lesson 1 for free.

Hi Ten
You are most welcome. Before the session I reformatted my Zoom to create 3 hours and put in new batteries just in case.
Looking forward to listening to your new postings tonight.

#1687329 - 05/30/11 07:38 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Thanks CA! Will check it out.


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#1687423 - 05/30/11 10:30 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Sounds like you guys were having so much fun! An amazing international get together. It's also great to hear what you all sound like...(your voices I mean).

There's nothing like a live teacher. And Dave is an excellent teacher.


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#1687497 - 05/31/11 01:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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ha JW, so you understood Ten and me ?!
Yeah, that was real hands-on stuff, it really pushed me and it felt great.

#1687601 - 05/31/11 07:36 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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It was really wild to hear and see everyone. We had 14 hours jet lag, with 10 in the middle. REally wild but somehow we found a good time for all. Well, I think Cus was falling asleep on my solo wink

#1687614 - 05/31/11 08:01 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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haha, well that was my 2nd midnight Skype in a row including our trial run wink
Actually I knew everyone was busy except me, I actually wanted you to play more.

#1687730 - 05/31/11 12:05 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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It was really quite amazing. I do feel so lucky and priviliged to have the technology that puts me in touch with such wonderful people.

custard - You are one well-organized apple!

I suppose it was pretty easy to guess whose voice is whose, with the accents.

#1687737 - 05/31/11 12:16 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: ten left thumbs]  
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Originally Posted by ten left thumbs
It was really quite amazing. I do feel so lucky and priviliged to have the technology that puts me in touch with such wonderful people.

custard - You are one well-organized apple!

I suppose it was pretty easy to guess whose voice is whose, with the accents.


NOOOOOOH --- it was sooooo hard.... smile The only one I knew for sure was Dave...LOL. He was the one speaking with that strange accent.

You guys are friends so it's so much fun to hear the people behind the words. It's like chatting in a living room.

I've had a chance to meet some forumites over the years and it's always been fun. So I appreciate this being posted.


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#1687990 - 05/31/11 06:08 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee



NOOOOOOH --- it was sooooo hard.... smile The only one I knew for sure was Dave...LOL. He was the one speaking with that strange accent.




Hey, are we having another conversation about accents? wink

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good one!

#1732075 - 08/13/11 04:48 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Here's another version of Autumn Leaves that my band performed last night. It's in Gm.

http://www.box.net/shared/3hp2ra5ms6azvv53km9s



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#1732573 - 08/13/11 10:56 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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That "Autumn Leaves" was pretty darn cool, JW! I enjoyed your solo, but particularly your comping! It sounds like you had a great crowd. I kind of wish the trumpet player hadn't been muted. Very nice - it's just so cool that you're out there doing great! thumb


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#1732616 - 08/14/11 01:00 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Thanks CMohr. I appreciate the nice comments. My solo was rather short because there were too many soloists already. I was playing AL today again under less stressful conditions and I do it so differently now. Maybe I should record again so there's a record of a new vision as each year passes.

The trumpet guy was an amateur that I let play with us. I do it all the time to give them gigging experience.

It was swinging pretty well though wasn't it?


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#1732648 - 08/14/11 03:22 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Oh yeah, it was swinging! The trumpet player wasn't bad at all - I enjoyed the whole tune a lot!


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#1732666 - 08/14/11 06:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Swung and hung together very nicely. I especially liked the interplay of piano and guitar at the guitar solo.

The thing about muted trumpet is just that it doesn't record very well. That aside, I liked all the instruments, and didn't feel like anyone was out of place. smile

good going! smile

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Originally Posted by ten left thumbs
Swung and hung together very nicely. I especially liked the interplay of piano and guitar at the guitar solo.

The thing about muted trumpet is just that it doesn't record very well. That aside, I liked all the instruments, and didn't feel like anyone was out of place. smile

good going! smile


Thanks TLT. I had a problem with this drummer before because he was doing such complex patterns and kept the swing groove from occurring. But we talked it over and it made a big difference.


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#1733839 - 08/15/11 09:18 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi JW
I've listened to your AL and also to your Naima in the August recital. I'm going to listen to more of your stuff in the Advanced thread.
I really liked your approach to Naima. It sounds like a difficult tune. I know that you don't think chord or scale, so what were you thinking ?

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Hello !

I've cross-posted this on the Non-classical JOI thread.

We had so much fun with Dave Frank during our video conf on Sunday. As you know, Dave is one of the hottest and most generous exponents of jazz education around the world. Here are the audio files for your benefit.

a) Jazz harmonic improv: C maj, using 3 scales

http://db.tt/ET67Sbo

b) Jazz harmonic improv: C maj, using 1 scale

http://db.tt/MAnQFvJ

c) JOI Lesson 1

http://db.tt/UbTIyxo

Time Flies: please accept my apologies. Your mic didn't do justice to your great playing so I didn't record your section.

And now..... for the Pièce de résistance....the masterclass on modal improv.

d) LH drone and Mixolydian example

http://db.tt/dj3n2Nn

e) Phrygian example

http://db.tt/FeO7gAY

#1733864 - 08/15/11 09:53 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: custard apple]  
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Originally Posted by custard apple
Hi JW
I've listened to your AL and also to your Naima in the August recital. I'm going to listen to more of your stuff in the Advanced thread.
I really liked your approach to Naima. It sounds like a difficult tune. I know that you don't think chord or scale, so what were you thinking ?


Thanks Custard. In the context of the scales (which are pretty complex in the case of Naima), you have to think melodically. Admitedly this took awhile to sink in since the harmonies are non-functional.

This was Naima as I performed it live. Totally lost the melodic focus...I was distracted by the unusual Bolero rhythm created by the bassist.

http://www.box.net/shared/zq5gy8arvhnudykj5lvn


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#1733901 - 08/15/11 10:47 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Cool, very nice. I heard the rhythm section change around 5:00.
Melodic is where I'm working towards. I know that Knotty sings what he is about to play.

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On these difficult tunes, it's really hard to come up with a melody. There's also a flaw in the singing because some complex harmonies are difficult to imagine singing (like diminished scales). And there's a lot of that here.

But it works well on functional harmonies and those I can also sing in my head.

My teacher is really big on being melodic. I think on advanced tunes like this, you almost have to create the melodic ideas in advance to get the brain started.


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#1733949 - 08/16/11 12:03 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee
I think on advanced tunes like this, you almost have to create the melodic ideas in advance to get the brain started.


What do you mean JW ? So do you do some pre-arranging ?

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No. I've never done that. But I noodle around to see what ideas are possible in advance.

Of course Bill Evans was fond of pre-arranging but I've never found myself inclined to follow a fixed arrangement.


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#1733972 - 08/16/11 12:31 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc. [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee
No. I've never done that. But I noodle around to see what ideas are possible in advance.



Like which type of 4 note patterns work well ?

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No. Sorry I'm not that structured. Although I do look for triad shapes of various kinds just to open up ideas.


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