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#1009491 - 10/27/06 05:34 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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That was surreal Eternal!! Is there a list anyone could compile please, of those fab movies which contain piano and / or anything to do with piano? I have just bought Amadeus from my local shop, and am so looking forward to watching it. Some of the others mentioned, I cannot find, eg Con Amore, Fantasia (unless you mean 'Disney' ugh), and Madame Sousatzka, please advise. Thanks, Shey


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#1009492 - 10/27/06 07:18 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Here's my favorite piano movie :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91xsLS3us-0
Well, that's one way to get rid of those unwanted piano-shaped objects we hear tale of in these forums. smile

That clip also reminded me of a truly classic piano movie: Laurel and Hardy's Oscar-winning The Music Box . (I should say that the movie is certainly not famous for how anyone played the piano in it, LOL.) There's a clip on the "Film Clips" page at that site.


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#1009493 - 10/30/06 08:52 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Amadeus was fabulous! I loved it. I am so looking forward to getting other piano movies for Christmas. Thanks to this thread I have a list now! Shey


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#1009494 - 10/30/06 09:04 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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I’ve just remembered a really dire film about Chopin called “The Mystery of Chopin – the Strange Case of Delphina Potocka” (1999). Has anyone else seen this? Its credentials are quite good – the director is Tony Palmer and the lead actors are Paul Rhys and Penelope Wilton. There’s also a young Russian pianist called Valentina Igoshina. But it is truly dreadful. Paul Rhys looks wrong, has a Welsh accent and portrays Chopin unconvincingly. In fact the whole story is based on a fabrication and apart (of course) from the music it is ghastly. Be warned!

I am wondering if there is any other composer who has had so many films made about him.

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I’ve just remembered a really dire film about Chopin called “The Mystery of Chopin – the Strange Case of Delphina Potocka” (1999). Has anyone else seen this? Its credentials are quite good – the director is Tony Palmer and the lead actors are Paul Rhys and Penelope Wilton. There’s also a young Russian pianist called Valentina Igoshina. But it is truly dreadful. Paul Rhys looks wrong, has a Welsh accent and portrays Chopin unconvincingly. In fact the whole story is based on a fabrication and apart (of course) from the music it is ghastly. Be warned!

I am wondering if there is any other composer who has had so many films made about him.

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We had a discussion of “The Mystery of Chopin – the Strange Case of Delphina Potocka” on the Pianist Corner awhile ago. We came to the conclusion that there's not an edition available compatible with our VHS players in the States. I have no idea if it's on DVD or not. As Mary Rose, said it's all based on a fabriction, one that would probably make a good movie in itself. Incidentally, the fradulant Potocka letters were largely responsible for the notion that Chopin had nothing but contempt for Lizst and contributed to the notion that he was notably antisemitic.

A link to the original thread:
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/10039/2.html

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Re Delphine/Chopin - In 1945, Pauline Czernicka, a Polish music scholar of dubious repute came up with some letters allegedly written by Chopin to Delphine Potocka. They were sexually crude and explicit and sounded completely out of character to anyone who had read Chopin's authentic letters. Delphine was a Polish society lady separated from her husband and living in Paris. Chopin was discretely reputed in the Polish exile community to have been Delphine's lover at the time he was frequenting her salon (pre George Sand). Neither of them ever denied it. They may well have been lovers, certainly they were fond of each other and good friends. Delphine was an excellent musician. Delphine eventually left Paris in an attempt to reconcile with her husband and that was the end of the affair (if there was one). Years later Delphine came and sang for Chopin on his deathbed. The majority of the letters (actually only photographed copies - the letters themselves were never produced) were later conclusively proven to be forgeries but not before they had found their way into a couple of otherwise respectable biographies. They are now floating about on the Net with no caveats attached for the unwary. Only one fragment, the only one that sounded remotely characteristic of Chopin, and with no sexual content was judged to be authentic. It was decided that Pauline Czernicka, who faded further into the woodwork with each implausible tale she told, had actually discovered some genuine but very fragmented Chopin letters and had used those pieces and a lot of trick photography to come up with the scandalous sexual bits. The actual fragments she used for her fabrications are now lost.



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#1009497 - 10/30/06 10:29 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Frycek, thanks for that elucidation. I'm sorry that I repeated something that has already been discussed shocked ( I'm quite new to this forum and in future I'll do a "search" first. I only just noticed the search function! It's 2am here in the UK but I've been up with my dog who hates fireworks (it's nearly Guy Fawkes Night).

BTW I have a DVD of the film and I think it's suitable for US players - I got it from Amazon.

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Mary Rose, please don't apologize. I certainly didn't mean to imply that we'd had enough of Delphina. In fact, this is only the second time she or those very audacious forgeries have ever come up. Everything of any import or interest gets discussed here at least a few dozen times (rather like the cycle of readings for Mass). That bit was buried in another piano movie thread, very similar to this one except different people got to contribute. Of course, there was some duplication of information but so what? Some of us are such slow subjects a bit of repetition is all to the good. Besides we owe to to Chopin to denounce those forgeries every opportunity we get (which is what I was doing.)


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#1009499 - 10/31/06 01:21 AM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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#1009500 - 10/31/06 07:49 AM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Although not a central figure, a pianist figures large in The Man Who Wasn't There (2001). The movie as a movie is very good. Although the piano playing is deliberately not special, it does present the frustrating truth applicable to many piano parents (and adult beginners). Billy Bob Thornton plays the lead; I forget the actress playing the player.
That would be Scarlet Johanson playing the Adagio Cantabile from Beethoven´s Pathetique quite a few times during the movie...altough i feel no special presence from the piano part of the movie, it is a very good movie.


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#1009501 - 10/31/06 08:03 AM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Frycek, I know you weren't trying to make me feel bad! It's just that, after a lifetime of not knowing ANYONE who appreciates Chopin properly, I'm still in "apologetic trying not to be a bore" mode. It's a novelty to me to actually be able to express my adoration of him amongst like-minded people, without being teased or moaned at:-)

As for the Polish woman who originated the Potocka forgeries, I tend to think she was deranged rather than evil.

There is one website that takes the forgeries seriously, along with a lot of other trumped-up "evidence" that Chopin was depraved - which is the last adjective that could be applied to him. I'll give details of that website on the "devoted to Chopin" thread as it's almost amusing, if you've not come across it already.

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And another thing, Mary Rose, you're the only one here who's actually seen the movie, Frederyk the Welshman and all. Thanks for the warning.


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#1009503 - 10/31/06 10:53 AM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Is it worth my while to try to buy this movie? If only for its absurdities.

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#1009504 - 10/31/06 11:16 AM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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"Is it worth my while to try to buy this movie?" asks Kathleen.

I suppose it would be if you are a "completist" but it really isn't enjoyable at all, and wouldn't add anything to your knowledge of Himself.

#1009505 - 11/03/06 07:05 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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A movie called 'Cloned' was just on t.v here. The plot wasn't promising...a famous concert pianist clones herself when she learns of a terminal illness.

However, it was actually quite a good movie (w/subtitles). Probably because the stars of the show were 9ft Bosendorfers - the piano(s!) featured largely.

#1009506 - 11/04/06 09:48 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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I was wondering if anyone has heard of a movie with Richter in it as Lizst? I read a book about Richter and it has a picture of him and in the caption it says he is playing Lizst and the movie is call Glinka. Can't find it anywhere.

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I'm going to chime in with "The Legend of 1900" also. Good pieces throughout.

#1009508 - 11/05/06 03:41 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Did I overlook anyone mentioning The George Gershwin story starring Robert Alda? It also had Oscar Levant in it.


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#1009509 - 11/05/06 10:32 PM Re: What is your favorite piano movie?  
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Immortal Beloved is my fave so far, then Amadeus. The music from the Pianist was beautiful, but the rest of the movie made me nauseous.

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Mine would be a tie between "The Pianist" and "The Piano". They were two very emotional movies.

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What is it about The Legend of 1900 that makes it so good? Is there a lot of playing? If all of you think it is worth seeing, I'm going to rent it from Netflix.

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What is it about The Legend of 1900 that makes it so good? Is there a lot of playing? If all of you think it is worth seeing, I'm going to rent it from Netflix.

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It's the piano duel between the protagonist and Jelly Roll Morton. It will make you sweat.


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How about The Fabulous Baker Boys. Although, not a great movie, it did show some of the problems in working as a pianist.


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... that's easy - Ennio Morricone! cool

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A bit of a fight club movie, but I liked Mogan Freeman's role as a blind piano tuner.


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Did I overlook anyone mentioning The George Gershwin story starring Robert Alda? It also had Oscar Levant in it.
No, I was just looking for that one myself to see if anyone had mentioned it, and we're the first.

Another one nobody mentioned is "The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T." Just as well -- I have tried to watch that movie several times when it has been on TV, and I have never been able to stay awake for the whole thing. I end up falling asleep.

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Balladeer:

Although I've never heard of Ennio Morricone, I did order the movie.

If it isn't good, I am going to find out where you live and haunt you with Lawrence Welk music. laugh


As anyone here ever seen "The World of Henry Orient" starring Peter Sellers? Not much music in it, but Sellers plays a bumbling, narcissistic concert pianist who considers himself quite a ladies man. Two teenage girls, having a crush on him, stalk him mercilessly between buildings and under beds.

Sellers was one of the all-time great comic actors, and he just is so perfect in this movie.

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Sorry, I just jumped to the end of this endless thread because yesterday when I went to bed it occurred to me that I had indeed seen a Piano movie when I thought I hadn't - it is Ray Charles. This movie is just fantastic, and the bonus material on my DVD showed how it was made when Ray Charles was still alive, he actually tought the actor (brilliant, deserved his oscar triple and quadruple) how he played (and the actor is an accomplished pianist). Really worth while! (and sorry if it was mentioned before, but I just did not have the time to read the entire thread.

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One of my favourite films which heavily features a piano, albeit including lots of other instruments, is Buena Vista Social Club. To see the ancient fingers of Ruben Gonzales come out of retirement and overcome their rheumatism to produce exciting, rhythmic music is a joy.

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