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Mini crawl at Altenburgs #100876
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During this weekend of piano activities here in NYC, Bernard, Kenny and Joe K (RealPlayer) decided to meet up with me go to Altenburgs to play some pianos.

It was the first time I met any of them in person, and before I say anything further let me just say what wonderful, talented people they are. Meeting them was far more memorable to me than was playing a bunch of pianos.

But I have some pics which I'll post here. Teh others will comment as they see fit, when they have the time.

Axtremus was trying to make palns to meet us, but alas could not. So my first photo is for him:


The new Bohemia ~7 footer from underneath

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More of the Bohemia 7 footer:

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Reflections of downtown Elizabeth on the music stand:

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Bernard at the Sauter 220:

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Joe K at a Pleyel 190:

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Joe K at the sauter 220:

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Joe K at the AF 215:


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Bernard at the Bohemia:

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Kenny at the Sauter 220:

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An Altenburg "Staten Island" Special. Quote Kenny " I like it, but I don;t have shoes to match it" hehe:


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A flame mahagony AF 170, uncrated in front of our eyes. IT was in incredible shape right out of the box, it was even in tune!

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Running to dinner, more comments later.

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Those are beautiful. I think I may have a piano problem. Lust!

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Originally posted by Christopher James Quinn:
It was the first time I met any of them in person, and before I say anything further let me just say what wonderful, talented people they are. Meeting them was far more memorable to me than was playing a bunch of pianos.
Hear, hear! I totally agree. Great bunch of people! Let me add that it was really inspiring to hear everyone play so beautifully and sensitively.

It was especially nice that Kenny was here from California. Kenny spent a fair amount of time listening from beneath the pianos, and received words of thanks from a passerby who admired his playing.

Chris, thanks for acting as chauffeur. Fred Altenburg was unfailingly gracious and gave us the long version of the Altenburg tour...warehouse, organ rebuilding area, basement, etc.

Chris, I'm amazed that you have photos up already. Didn't even know you were photographing me, you sly dog.

A great morning. Afterwards, the group stopped in here for tea and to try out the CC, the first time anyone from PW has been here. It was fun!

Thanks to all for the great piano minitour and visit.

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Those are beautiful. I think I may have a piano problem. Lust!

Craig
Going to a piano store is a very very dangerous thing...

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A great morning. Afterwards, the group stopped in here for tea and to try out the CC, the first time anyone from PW has been here. It was fun!

Kenny and Bernard had a date with BeeLady in Manhattan or we would have stayed longer.

Joe's CC was absolutely magnificent, and he lives in a great old house in a beautiful old neighborhood in Staten Island. Quite an eye-opener for a chronic Staten Island basher like myself, the neighborhood was stunning with old world character!

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Wow, that photo with the reflection on it is a prize winner! Kenny, you get the prize for the most traveled Piano World Get-together Member, I think. Glad you all had a good time!

smile Jodi

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Wow, GREAT pics, Christopher James Quinn! Really great.

I want to recollect my experience from this morning, but will do so later since we're all headed out for a walk. A quick note: it was a precious morning.

In the meantime, here's a picture Kenny took; me at an August Förster 215 and Christopher looking on. Once again, I'm smitten with a piano--these August Förster's are fantastic:

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So....what did you think of the 7 foot Bohemia?

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So....what did you think of the 7 foot Bohemia?
As perhaps you can tell from the pics, it was in a tight *very* live area surrounded by glass. Looked fabulous from the street looking in, but not an ideal place to play a piano of that size - it was way too 'live' in that area.

With the lid down, I could sense that it was quite a beautiful piano, the piano is gorgeous in appearance and detail, and the action is very nice. With all the activity there it was difficult to concentrate, but my impressions were very favorable and I look forward to going back on a quieter day to play it some more. I sense that it is not as mellow as the Bohemia 185, but again I 'd say that the conditions and distractions were such that I really can;t be sure. At ~$28k it would seem to be a great deal and another piano one should have on the list if their budget is 25-30k.

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Great pics, Chris. Geez, I wish I could be there!

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[b] So....what did you think of the 7 foot Bohemia?
Joe K thought it thin in the treble, but agreed that the spot was not ideal.

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Hmmmm...I don't think I said that. Maybe someone else?

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[b] So....what did you think of the 7 foot Bohemia?
Joe K thought it thin in the treble, but agreed that the spot was not ideal.

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Hmmmm...I don't think I said that. Maybe someone else? [/b]
Oh, I thought you said that? What did you say about the Bohemia, I must have mis-remembered it.

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Well, nothing about thinness, but I think I agreed about the placement. Nonetheless, I think I could adjust (in my head) for the placement.

I enjoyed the Sauter, Bohemia and Forster of similar (circa 7') size, and also liked some of the smaller models.

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Kenny - Gee I was one from farthest away from home at Apple's party but you got me beat by a longshot. I really love the pics from upstairs looking down. Looks like it was a lot of fun have a great weekend!!!! thumb

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CJQ, Bernard, RealPlayer, et al., thanks for letting me live a good half-day vicariously through your posts and pictures. smile

Kenny, I know you flew a long way to be there. Sorry I couldn't make it.

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Guys, thanks for sharing the photos and commentary. Very nice! If I ever get to NYC (very unlikely, given that none of my customers are in that area), it's be nice to touch base and try out the various stores.

Regards to all,
Chris

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Kenny - Gee I was one from farthest away from home at Apple's party but you got me beat by a longshot. I really love the pics from upstairs looking down.
Thanks. Kenny will probably have lots to say when he gets back home, he was a-luvin that Sauter 220.

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It was very nice getting to meet some of the forum members yesterday.
I was thinking about Kenny's idea last night of doing a blind test. I think it would be not only interesting to see the results but also a lot of fun to do. Has anybody tried this before?
One room can be cleared out with only 6' grands that have a curtain draped behind the keys to block the name and cabinet. Either a group or individuals can score how they like each instrument. I would even say have it at a hotel so other manufacturers/dealers can participate with their instruments too on neutral ground.
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One room can be cleared out with only 6' grands that have a curtain draped behind the keys to block the name and cabinet. <snip> Any thoughts or comments on this?
Only that the curtain should be *acoustically* transparent.

Fred, thanks again for allowing us to come over and have fun with your pianos. You have some beautiful instruments there.

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Thanks for posting the pics. Not being able to see many of these pianos in person, I have always imagined what they really looked like, not the usual brochure photos. I am glad to hear that I am not the only one crawling underneath pianos! Thanks for the comments too.

John

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Thanks for posting the pics. Not being able to see many of these pianos in person, I have always imagined what they really looked like, not the usual brochure photos.
I wish more people would post pics of their store visits. It may be odd to go into a store as a stranger and start taking pics, but mnay of us have bought pianos at stores and frequently revisit them. Why not take pics and post them?

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Originally posted by Fred Altenburg:
It was very nice getting to meet some of the forum members yesterday.
I was thinking about Kenny's idea last night of doing a blind test. I think it would be not only interesting to see the results but also a lot of fun to do. Has anybody tried this before?
One room can be cleared out with only 6' grands that have a curtain draped behind the keys to block the name and cabinet. Either a group or individuals can score how they like each instrument. I would even say have it at a hotel so other manufacturers/dealers can participate with their instruments too on neutral ground.
Any thoughts or comments on this?
I think this has been discussed in detail before, it's probably way too difficult to execute. There are cues which give away certain pianos at the keyboard anyway.

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**Bump**

Just want to keep this visible because I think Kenny will have more pics to post when he gets back to Cali.

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Christopher:

Great pix! Love that first one for Axtremus. Heh, heh, heh.

When I was there the 6 foot Bohemia was upstairs. There was an August Forster in the window where the 7 foot Bohemia now sits.

Yes, that window area is really not a good place to evaluate a piano in. Much too live. Makes everything sound much too harsh and bright.

Any further thoughts on the Bohemia? We'd like to hear them!

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LOVED the photos. Altenberg's doesn't look anything like I thought it would. I don't know why, but I pictured it very dark, with heavy draperies! Funny how we get ideas in our heads. Does Fred carry Pleyels as well? Did anyone get to play any? And I'm sure I would have fallen head over heals for that Sauter 220.

Then again, that was one sexy red tint on that AF!

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Great post, and great photos, Chris. Altenberg's will soon be one of my destinations.

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My thoughts exactly ..... It appears all of you had a great time. Thanks for sharing all the pics. smile

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Christopher:

Great pix! Love that first one for Axtremus. Heh, heh, heh.

When I was there the 6 foot Bohemia was upstairs. There was an August Forster in the window where the 7 foot Bohemia now sits.

Yes, that window area is really not a good place to evaluate a piano in. Much too live. Makes everything sound much too harsh and bright.

Any further thoughts on the Bohemia? We'd like to hear them!

Jeanne W
Jeanne, I should have dedicated the first pic to Axtremus from you, since it was your idea in an earlier post.

I did not play the 185 Bohemia the other day, and as I indicated there were too many distractions to make any real judgements.

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